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" Being asked, “Whether he had before known a “ And he continued so for several Months; till an " Master of a Merchant Ship laid in Irons ?” He said, - Order came from the Lords of the Admiralty to put at r6 No."
“ him aboard a Ship going to The West Indias'; which
“ was done accordingly." " He faith, “ It was on the 18th of March that we “met the French Ships; and that Captain Cleaveland “He faith, “That, about Eighteen Years since, he was « left us on the 26th.”
to look after the Herring Filhery at Yarmouth, where
“ he believes there were about Two Thousard Sail of “He faith, “ That in the Morning the Admiral
“ Dutch Buffes and Doggers, and about Nine Hundred " made the Signal for failing from Maderas, we weigh
“ Sail of English, and Two or Three Hundred French ; “ ed accordingly, and lay by all that Day ; and he sent
“ and being upon a Lee Shore, a Storm happening, " in his own Barge, with a Lieutenant, to order the
“ he was fain to come to an Anchor; and in a Morn'Ships to get under Sail, and lose no Time; and ordered
ing a Bright Hempson's Vessel's Nets came athwart his “the Lieutenant to come with The Blackwall. The
“ * Hawle; whereupon he called the Deponent Rogue, “next Day we were off of the West End of the Illand, « and Son of a Whore ; and swore, “ He would beat and lay in Sight of it all that Day: And seeing but
“ him, if ever’he me: him ashore:” Upon which, lie “ Three or Four Ships between the Shore and us, it
“ fenr his Boat for the Master of the said Veffel; who was the Admiral's Opinion, as well as every body's
“ when he came aboard, the Deponent asked him, “ If “ else on board, that The Blackwall and the rest of the
“ he knew him, that he ireated him after that Manner; “ Ships were got to the Southward of us; so we made
“ but if he did not, he told him he now should;" and “ an easy Sail, and steered South West, thinking that to
“ so banged him foundly, telling him, “ He would “ be the best Course to meet with the Fleet.
“ teach him Sea Breeding."
“ He faith, * That another Time, on going a Voyage
the to The West Indias, being their in Long Reach; a Col“ Merchant Men that should follow us.
“ lier run aboard him; and carrying away his Cat-head, ,
“ and doing him other Damage, he drubbed him found-
ly; and gave an Account thereof to the Admiralty.”
“ chants Ships, when their Ships are hired in the
a great many of the Merchants were before us, and “ dron they are to fail with ; and if they at any Time
“ the said Merchant Ships, hired as aforefaid, are not
punishable for their Disobedience at the Discretion of
" the Commodore ?" “ Captain George Saintlow (sworn) faith, “ That, the
“ He saith, “ He always thought so; and never “last Dutch War, when Prince Rupert commanded in
thought it a Crime to punish any one under their
“ Witnesses on Behalf of the Merchants, touching Merchants 66 because he had a Land General aboard him: Bur he
Witnettes, “ knows not whether he was drubbed."
“ Words spoken by Mr. Greydon in the Lobby.
Words in the “ He faith, “ That, as he was Commissioner at Pli “Sir Bartholomezo Gracedieu (jur.) faith, “ That when Lobby: “ mouth, he had the Command of a Guardship called Captain Phillips told Mr. Greydon; “ They were put
ship: And thereupon sent an Express to the Lords
They were well satisfied there “the Thursday following, Admiral Greydon said,
* O.igin. Horle. VOL. XVII.
" thought he had best to take an House in Town." “ of Four Ships of War of Her Majesty's under his “ And he further said, “ He would never take Charge “ Command, meeting with Four French Ships in his “of a Convoy again, if he could help it."
“ Passage to The West Indies, and letting them escape “ without attacking them, according to his Duty, from
“ the Pretence of his Instruction, hath been a Prejudice Burridge; John Burridge (jur.) faith, “ That, being in the
“ to the Queen's Service, and a great Dishonour to the “ Lobby on Tuesday, he heard Mr. Greydon, on the
" Nation. “ Notice that was given us of attending again on Thurs
day, fay, “ He thought he must take an House in “ Town:” And he also heard him fay, “ God damn
“ 2. Refolved, That it is the Opinion of the Com“ him, if he ever took Charge of a Convoy again, for
« mittee, That Vice Admiral Greydon's disorderly Pro“the Merchant Men were sometimes Three Leagues at
“ceeding in presling Men at Jamaica, and his severe “ Head, and sometimes Three Leagues at Stern :"
“Usage of the Masters of Merchant and Transport * And further, “ That he believed the Merchants here
« Vesels under his Convoy there, hath been a great “ did not credit Two Thirds of what the Merchants
“ Discouragement to the Inhabitants of that Iland, and “ and Planters had writ to them." And speaking of
prejudicial to Her Majesty's Service.
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of the Committee,
“ That Vice Admiral Greydon, having behaved himself so Harris and “ Then Mr. Harris and Mr. Burridge being asked,
“ill in his Expedition to The West Indias, is not fit to Burridge. " " Whether they were together when they heard Mr.
“ be employed any more in Her Majesty's Service. “ Greydon speak these words they have informed the “ Committee of?” They answered, “ They were in “ the fame Room, but they believed there were Two or
“ Their Lordships have likewise thought it proper to " Three between them.”
acquaint the House, That, whilst they had these Matters under their Examination, it appeared that, in this
Expedition to The West Indias, before the Fleet arAdmiral “ Witnesses on Behalf of Vice Admiral Greydon, « about in Newfoundland was generally talked of
“ rived in those Parts, the Design they were going Greydon's Witneiles : ' relating to the fame Matter,
amongst the Seamen; and that the Men on board
“ Two Transport Ships, that were separated from the Herbert; “ Philip Herbert Esquire (jur.) faith, “That on Tues- “ Fleet and went to the Mederas, ipoke commonly of
“ day laft
, in the Lobby, he heard Vice Admiral Grey "their going to Placentia : And Vice Admiral Greydon “ don fay, “He wished the Merchants would give bet “ informed their Lordships, " That, before he received “ ter Orders about their Ships.” He faith, “ He was “his Inftructions, he was himself frequently told that er within Three or Four of him, when he said so; and
“ he was going to Newfoundland.”
“ The Effect of which Discovery proved so fatal to
" that Design, and was so unluckily made Use of by the “ Doctor Richard Adams (jur.) faith, “ That, in the “ Enemy in their better Defence, that, when the Fleet Adains;
" Lobby, on Tuesday last, he heard Mr. Greydon say, “came there, they found all Preparations so sufficiently “ “ The Merchants at Jamaica would swear any Thing
" made for the Security of the Place, that that Attempt " for a Bottle of Madeira ; that the Merchants here did
“ was rendered ineffectual; which otherwise in great not believe what the Merchants there writ to them.” Probability would have done considerable Damage to “He faith, “ He did not hear him swear, or fay, that “ the French, and must have been attended with great " he would never take Care of Merchants Ships again;" “ Advantage to the Service of Her Majesty, and this “ but he heard him say, “ That, if the Masters of Mer Kingdom “ chants Ships did not observe Orders better, it would “ be impossible to take Care of them.” This is all he “ Their Lordships do further think it highly incum. “ remembers ; and he did not hear him speak of taking " bent upon them, at this Time, to represent of what “ a Lodging in Town.”
“ Importance the Defence and Preservation of Jamaica “is to England itself, by its Situarion, as well for Trade
“ as for the Convenience it affords of offending our pre. Burto
Mr. Edward Burt (jur.) faith, “That, in the Lobby, « fent Enemies the French and Spaniards, as it lies in on Tuesday last, he heard Mr. Greydon complain of the Centre of the most valuable Part of The West In. “the Merchants Ships (traggling so greatly from their “ Convoys, that sometimes they would be Three or
“ dias, at an easy Distance from the Spanish Setile
nients; and more particularly is in the Neighbourhood “ Four Leagues before, and sometimes as far astern:
“ of the Havana, which hath been hitherto the Ren-
“ dezvous of the Spanislo Gallions and Flotas.
“ This Island produces the best Sugar, Indico, Cot“" He did not hear him swear, or fay, “ He would
ton, Wool, Dying Wood, &c.; and may be yet made “ take no more Merchants under his Convoy ;" but he
“ more beneficial to England, by being a Staple of our “ heard him complain of the Unkindness of the Plan
“ English and European Product and Manufactures, and “ters to him.” He faith, “ He stood next to the Ad
a Mart for Negroes, upon a Peace or Friendship with “ miral, and sometimes he spoke to him; but he re
“the Spaniards; which Advantage is now enjoyed by “ members not that he spoke of taking an House in
“ the French; who do not only furnith the Spaniards + Town.”
“ with all their Negroes for working in their Mines, but “ almost entirely supply them with all Necessaries from
“ Europe, for which they are paid in Pieces of Eight, Upon Consideration of the whole Matcer, their
" or other the richest Commodities; which Benefit Lordlhips came to these Resolutions; (videlicet,)
“ might accrue to this Kingdom, in case of a Revolution
“ in Spain, but cannot be maintained without the Illand Resolutions “ 1. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of the Com- “ of Jamaica ; there being no other of the Queen's concerning “ mittee, That Vice Admiral Greydon, with a Squadron
« Plantations situated so far to the Leeward, and so Admiral Greydon.
“ near to the Spaniards, as to afford a convenient Com
prove of very considerable Advantage to Her Ma“ munication with them, and a Means of protecting “ jesty's Service in all Her other Dominions." “ them at the same Time against the French.
Then the First Resolution in the said Report was read, « This Inand also affords good Reception for great as followeth ; “ Numbers of Her Majesty's Men of War, who may « be there in a Readiness to defend this important
“1. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of the Com“ Place, and to annoy the Enemy on all Hands; who
mittee, That Vice Admiral Greydon, with a Squadron “ have only some open Roads and Harbours, of no great • Defence to their Shipping.
“ of Four Ships of War of Her Majesty's under his “ Comınand, meeting with Four French Ships in his
Pafsage to The West Indias, and letting them escape “ With the Loss of this Island, besides its nataral
“ without attacking them, according to his Duty, from “ Product, this Kingdom would also lofe the whole Ad
“ the Pretence of his Instruction, hath been a Prejudice vantage of so beneficial a Trade as that of The
“ to the Queen's Service, and a great Dishonour to the Spanish West Indias, which would fall to the French
- Nation, or and Dutch, who have their Settlements in those • Parts.
After long Debate; “ Their Lordships have thus endeavoured to lay be The Question was put, “ Whether this House “ fore the House the great Advantages of this Island ; « shall agree with the Committee in this Refo“ and at the same Time crave Leave to observe, that, in
“ lution?" “ this Place, of so great Concernment and Importance
It was Resolved in the Affirmative. to the Trade and Prosperity of this Kingdom, there “ has been no Chief Governor since the Death of Co“ lonel Brewer during this War, till within a few Weeks;
Then the Second Resolution in the said Report was “ which, their Lordships are of Opinion, may have been
read ; (videlicet,) “ the Occasion of losing several Opportunities of taking “ Advantage upon the Enemy, as well as of lessening
“ 2. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of the Com“the Discipline amongst the Soldiers; the Authority “mittee, That Vice Admiral Greydon's disorderly Pro“ and Prudence of a Chief Governor always drawing “ceeding, in pressing Men at Jamaica, and his severe “ more Respect, Obedience, and Dependance upon
Usage of the Masters of Merchant and Transport “ him, than is usually observed towards any Officer in
“ Vessels under his Convoy there, hath been a great « an inferior Command.
“ Discouragement to the Inhabitants of that IDand, and
prejudicial to Her Majesty's Service.” “ Their Lordships have also received Informations, “ from many of the considerable Merchants in this City
After Debate; s trading to Jamaica, of several French Men of War, « to a considerable Number, fitted out, and many Tran The Question was put, “ Whether this House “ sport Ships, with Soldiers on board them, bound for “ shall agree with the Committee in this Reso“ The W'cft Indias; which, the said Merchants conceive,
“lution ?" " they have good Ground to believe are designed to at
It was Resolved in the Affirmative. “ tack Jamaica; their Correspondents in that Place
signifying to them, that the Prisoners from all Parts agree in their Reports, that the Governors in the
Then the Third Resolution in the said Report was “ French and Spanish Dominions in The West Indies de
read; (videlicet,) sign to make a powerful Descent in that Island on the “ First Occasion that offers, which at this Time is extremely exposed, for Want both of Soldiers and Ships
3. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of the Com“ of War to protect them.
mittee, That Vice Admiral Greydon, having behaved “ himself so ill in his Expedition to The West Indias, is
“not fit to be employed any more in Her Majesty's “ Their Lordships humbly hope, that this House, 66 Service." “ taking into their Consideration of what fatal Consequence the Loss of this Place must be to England,
After Debate; " will judge it reasonable to make an Application to “ Her Majesty, that She will be pleased to take Care The Question was put, “ Whether this House “ that so advantageous a Plantation may be effectually “ sha]] agree with the Committee in this Reso“ and seasonably supplied with all Things proper for its
“ Jution ? Security and Defence, and particularly that the Regi
It was Resolved in the Affirmative. “ments there may be recruited and kept full.
“ That Instructions be given to the Commanders of
To all the rest of the said Report, the House agreed. “ Her Majesty's Ships that attend on this Plantation, to “ observe strict Discipline and Order, in the pressing fuch “ Seamen as are absolutely necessary for the Use of the Whereas this Day was appointed, for the House to Lifs of Juso “ Men of War; Want of due Care in that Service take into Consideration the Lists of the Justices now in tices to be
considered, “having extremely weakened this Idand, by the Loss Commission in the several Counties of this Kingdom, as " of many of their Seamen, frightening away more, and also those put out since Midsummer 1700: “ hindering others from resorting thither : And that s such a Number of Ships of War may be constantly
It is ORDERED, by the Lords Spiritual and Tempo“ maintained there, or relieved from time to Time, ral in Parliament assembled, That the faid Lists thall be " that there may not want a sufficient Strength at Sea, taken into Confideration on Thursday the Thirtieth Day “to. defend Her Majesty's own Subjects, and annoy
of this Instant March, at Twelve a Clock. " Her 'Enemies in those Parts; which will likewise
Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Veneris, vicesimum quartum diem inftantis Martii, hora duodecima Aurorz, Dominis fic decernentibus.
Martis, 250 die Aprilis, 1704, hitherto examined by us,
The Earl of Stamford reported from the Lords Com-Observations mictees (appointed to take into Consideration the Report Lioners. con. of the Commissioners, appointed by Act of Parliament cerning Anno 1° Anna Reginæ, for taking, examining, and sta-Public Acting, the Public Accompts of the Kingdom), as followeth ; Report about. (videlicet,) " The Lords Committees appointed to take into Con“ fideration the Report of the Commissioners ap
pointed by One Act of Parliament, passed 1° Anne “Reginæ, intituled, “ An Act for taking, exami
ning, and stating, the Public Accompts of the “ Kingdom,” in Obedience to the Order of the " House, have taken the same into Confideration.
DIE Veneris, 24° Martii.
Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes
" They could not enter upon the Examination of the “ First Article of the Observations of the said Com“ missioners, which relates to the Accompts of the “ Army according to their Intention ; the late Pay“master of the Army having not given in his Answers " to the said Observations, till fome Days after the Sit. “ ting of the Committee.
Arch. Cantuar. Arch. Ebor. Epus. London. Epus. Duresme,
& Crew. Epus. Sarum. Epus. Norwic. Epus. Petrib. Epus. Cicestr. Epus. Oxon. Epus. Bangor. Epus. Bath&Well.
“ Their Lordships therefore proceeded to take under " their Confideration, the next Head in the said Obsersi vations, which relates to the Accompts of the Navy ; “' which they have carefully and fully examined; and s do humbly take Leave to lay the following Observa-, “tions thereupon before the House,
Ds. Custos Magni
Ds. Wbarton. Dux Devonshire, Se. Ds. North & Grey. nefcallus.
Ds. Grey W.
Ds. Poulet. Dux Somerset.
Ds. Maynard. Dux Richmond.
Ds. Mohun. Dux Northumberland.
Ds. Byron. Dux Bolton.
Ds. Vaughan. Dux Marlborough.
Ds. Culpeper. Comes Carlisle, Ma- Ds. Lucas. refcallus.
Ds. Rockingham. Comes Jersey, Came- Ds. Berkeley. l'arius.
Ds. Osulfone. Comes Kent.
Ds. Dartmouth. Comes Derby
Ds. Lempster. Comes Manchester.
Ds. Weston. Comes Rivers.
Ds. Herbert. Comes Peterborow,
Ds. Haversham. Comes Winchilfea.
Ds. Sommers. Comes Kingston.
Ds. Bernard. Comes Carnarvon.
Ds. Halifax. Coines Thanet.
Ds. Granville. Comes Sunderland.
Ds. Gernsey. Comes Scarfdale.
" As to the First Part of the said Commissioners Ob. * servations, relating to the Weekly Certificates; their “Lordships examined Sir Richard Haddock Knight,
Comptroller of the Navy, and Dennis Lyddell Esquire, “ Comptroller of the Treasurer's Accompts of the Navy, “ upon Oath ; Copies of whose Examinations are here“ unto annexed, marked Letter A: And do thereby “ find, That the said Certificates were transmitted by the • Earl of Orford, late Treasurer of the Navy, in such a « Form as did enable the Commissioners of the Navy with " the Books in their Office, at all Times to know the “ Balance in the said Treasurer's Hands, and the several
Species in which it remained; and that the Certificates “ required by the Instructions to the Treasurer of the “ Navy were not intended to check and comptrol the
Ledgers, nor ever used to that Purpose by the Com“ millioners of the Navy.
“ As to the several Omillions and Mistakes mentioned “ in the Fourth Observation of the Commissioners, Page “ 22, to be in the said Certificates, the said Commis“ fioners having only in general Terms said there were “ such, without giving particular Instances; the Earl of « Orford could not make any particular Answer to them; " and therefore their Lordships have not been able to “ make any Judgement therein.
“ Their Lordships are therefore of Opinion, the Form " in which the said Certificates were sent by the late “ Treasurer of the Navy, did enable the Commissioners
“ of the Navy with the Books kept at their Office, to “ Navy Board thought not themselves empowered till “ check and know the Balances remaining in the said lately to pass that Accompt, because they had not a " Treasurers Hands; and their Lordships do not find “ Privy Seal or Order for it.
any Complaint was made by the Navy Board against “the Form of the said Certificates, or that the Public “ hath in any Sort suffered thereby.
" Their Lordships were desirous to have proceeded to " take into Examination that part of the Observations
“ of the said Commissioners, relating to Mr. Phillip Pa“ Their Lordships taking into Consideration the Ob- "pillon, Calhier of the Victualing under the late Trea“ servation of the said Commissioners, touching the late “ furer of the Navy; but found they could not proceed “ Treasurer's not having duly exhibited his Ledgers to “therein, because the said Mr. Papillon (being a Mem
the Commissioners of the Navy, and the said Trea “ber of the House of Commons) had not come to their surer's Answers thereto; and having examined Dennis. “Lordships, notwithstanding the Message sent from this Lyddel Esquire, Comptroller of the Treasurer's Ac- " House to the Commons, that he might be permitted
compts of the Navy, upon Oath, as appears marked to come to them. And here they must likewise ob“ Letter B, do find, that the said Treasurer of the " serve, that none of the said Commissioners have come “ Navy's Ledgers were very voluminous; and that it to them, though desired by a Message from this House “ has been a great Work done by the said Treasurer and “ to the House of Commons. “ the Navy Board in passing those Ledgers, which “ have been all signed and pasted by the Commissioners “ Their Lordships then proceeded to take into Conof the Navy, in the usual and constant Form practised
“sideration the Observation of the said Commissioners, “ at the Navy Board. And their Lordships do also find, “ relating to the Provisions supplied to the Fleet in The “the keeping open Ships-books for Re-calls, several “ Mediterranean, in the Years 1694 and 1695, by Ad- Vide Copies “ Years after they were paid, rendered it impracticable
“miral Russel, now Earl of Orford: And do find, that Papers, under “ for the said Treasurer to make up his Accompts An “the staying of the Fleet in The Mediterranean was un-Letter E, in “nually. And, considering the Method in which the “ foreseen; and that the Earl of Orford did, in the most ice Exami. “Ledgers must pass, the Greatness of the Work, and presling Manner, folicit the Lords Commissioners of the “ the Multiplicity of the Business, their Lordships are “ Admiralty to send a Commissioner of the Victualing, “ of Opinion, the late Treasurer hath not been wanting “ to take Care of the victualing the Fleet, as fou as “ in the Performance of his Duty therein ; and cannot
“ he received Orders for wintering in those Parts , and “ but observe, the Earl of Orford has made up and passed
“ do also find, that the said Provisions came out cheaper “ all his Ledgers, when no other preceding Treasurer" to the Public, than any that had been provid. d or “ of the Navy, from the Year 1673, hath yet settled fupplied at Hoine or Abroad: And it appeared, ihat “ and passed his Accompts.
“there were fufficient Vouchers, from the Pursers of
“the severa! Ships, for the Quantity and Species of “ Their Lordships also took into Consideration the c nothing to hinder the regular passing of this Accompt
" the Provisions charged upon them; fo that there was “ Observation touching Imprelts standing out and uncleared ; but cannot find that it is the Treasurer of « from the Perfons of whom thiofe Provisions were
“ in the common Form, but the Want of Acquittances “ the Navy's Duty to compel or apply to any Person,
“ bought; all which, being Foreigners of divers Nato oblige the Parties concerned to accompt for the
" tions, would have made no Difficulty of giving Ac“ Money imprested to them; and, upon examining Ro
quittances if it had been required, or even to have “ bert Maddocks Senior, Esquire, formerly and now Pay- “ owned the Receipt of much greater Prices than were " master of the Navy, upon Oath ; and also Mr. Au
really paid. “ ditor Bridges, and others, who attended according to “ Order, as appears under Letter C, do find it was
“ And therefore their Lordships, upon the whole “ the ancient Practice, for the Treasurer of the Navy to
“ Matter, are of Opinion, the Privy Seal was obtained bring to Accompt, in his Ledger, the Imprests paid “ meerly to supply a Formality in accompting, and by him within the Time of each Ledger. And their
“ cannot be suspected to have been granted to authorize “ Lordihips are of Opinion, it would be more safe for
or cover an unfair or untrue Accompt; but was only “ the Public, according to the ancient Practice, to have “ to justify the Auditors in passing the Accompt without “ the Imprests, paid by the Treasurer of the Navy, « such Acquittances, which in ordinary Cases are re" allowed on liis Ledgers in the Year wherein they «
quired. were paid ; by which Method, the Lord High Trea“ surer, or Commissioners of the Treasury, for the Time
“ Their Lordships also took into Consideration the being, might examine into the Reasons for granting
“ Charge of Interest on Tallies, and Orders upon the “ such Imprests; and Directions might be given to the
“ late Treasurer of the Navy, mentioned in the Ninth proper Officers, duly to call upon the Parties to ac
o Observation of the said Commissioners, Page 26; and compt for the Imprests granted to them.
« the Answer of the said Treasurer to the faid Obser
« vation, with his Reply to the said Charge of Interest, “ Their Lordships finding, by the Observations, that “thereunto annexed : And the Committee, being very “ Mr. Anthony Sturt had not passed his Ledger, during desirous to be fully informed in that Matter, examined “ his being Cashier of the Vi&tualing under the Ear] “ some of the Commissioners of the Navy, Dealers with “ of Orford, late Treasurer of the Navy; to wit, from the Navy, and others, upon Oath, as appears under " the Fourth of April 1689, to the 24th of November « Letter F; (videlicet,) Sir Richard Haddock Knight, “ following, in the Time when Sir Richard Haddock « Comptroller of the
Navy, and Dennis Lyddell Esquire, Knight, Sir John Parsons Knight, and Alderman Sturt, “ Comptroller of the Treasurer's Accompts of the Navy, " were Commissioners of the Victualing : And though “Sir Wm. Gore Knight and Alderman, Sir Stephen “ the faid Mr. Sturt had not made any Answer to this “ Evance Knight, Mr. Peter Joy, Mr. Ambrose Crowly, “ Observation, nor any Person appeared for him, their “Mr. John Bellaniy, and several other Persons. And it “Lordships being willing to be informed themselves,
appeared to the Committee as followeth : “ why the said Ledger was not passed in so many Years “ since the said Sir Richard Haddock was examined upon “ First, That the Navy Board, in their Aflignments on “ Oath, as appears by the Examination marked Letter “ Bills, always directed out of what Tallies and “ D: And their Lordships do thereby find, that the “ Orders the said Bills should be paid. VOL. XVII.