86 "These are humbly to certify, That, in the Years "1672 and 1673, the Victualing of His then Majefty's Navy was in Contract, under the Management of Sir "Thomas Littleton, Sir Jofiah Child, Sir Dennis Gauden, "Mr. Papillon, and others; for which they were allowed, "for Victuals they fupplied His then Majefty with to "the Southward of the Latitude of 27 Degrees, the "Rate of 8 d. per Man, per Diem; and in broken "Proportions after the faid Rate: All Extra Freights 68 were allowed by His Majefty more than the aforefaid "Prices. I do further certify, That the Purfers of "His then Majefty's Ships were allowed, upon the "Balance of their Accompts, in the Time of the faid "Contractors Management, after the Rate of Seven "Pence per Man, per Diem. "Answer. The fame Accompt for 1672 charges "1d. per Pound Weight to Purfers; but, I must own, they have herein juftly charged me with a Mistake, in "the Computation of 395,363 Pound Weight of Rusk, " which, at 1d. per Pound Weight, makes (as they fay) but .2265. 2s. od.: In Excufe of it, I can "only fay, it was not done wilfully; but, being prest to haften in the Accompt, miftook the Fraction, and computed it at 1d. 66 "4th Objection, concerns the Proportion and Price "of Raifins, to be allowed for Beef and Pork; which "does not affect my Computation, but feems to infer, "if Beef and Pork may be fupplied there by other "Provisions, at One Third of the Coft, no more fhould "be fent than was abfolutely neceffary: This Objec❝tion alfo charges me with computing Beef at 94d. "and Pork at 6d. per Piece; whereas Purfers, till "the Year 1694, were allowed but 7 d. Beef, and "4d. for Pork. "Answer. By the fame Accompt, for the Year 1672, "I find 10 d. allowed for Beef, and 7 d. for Pork. "8th Objection. The Auditor's Computation allows "18 d. more than ought for Neceffary-money. "Answer. The Calculation I was required to make, "To which the said Commiffioners have been pleased" was to fatisfy your Lordships, whether the Accompt, "to object; videlicet, as delivered in by the Admiral, or an Allowance at "the Rate of 7 d. a Man, per Diem, would come out "eafieft to His Majefty; and I thought it of more Mo"ment to make a fpeedy Return, than to be over nice "in the Calculation: But I ftand corrected, and will do them right in the Balance. "The Ninth Article is not objected to. "10th Objection. That 7 d. a Man, a Day, in"cludes all Manner of Charges relating to the Vicc. "tualing, as Cask, Iron Hoops, Biscuit Bags, Freight, "Answer. Mr. Papillon and Partners, though al"lowed at 8 d. a Man, per Diem, and at the fame Rate "for broken Proportions, are allowed alfo for extraor"dinary Freight, Charges to Agents in diftributing "Provifions to the Fleet, Water Cask, Iron Hoops, &c. 6. P * Sic. "The "The following Deductions, amounting to upwards "off. 20,000. being grounded upon Miftakes, will "fcarce need a farther Anfwer; however, I will take "Notice of them in their Order. "The 11th, 12th, and 13th Articles, concerning the "Proportions of Bifcuit Bags, Casks, Iron Hoops, "neceffary for certain Quantities of Provifions, which "I will not contend with them about; but must not "allow that Contractors or Purfers fupplied them at d. a Man, per Diem. 7 "The 14th Article, concerning Neceffary-money in"cluded in the 7 d. a Day, I either do not understand, or the Inference is very unreasonable: If the 6 d. a "Month allowed for Neceffary-money be caft into the "7 d. a Day, why then fhould £. 2022. 15 s. 6 d. be furcharged? If they would have it thought it is not "comprehended in the 7 d. a Day, they did prudently, "not to speak plain in a Thing which must have been "contradicted. "The 15th Article makes a Doubt, whether 8 d. per "Month, allowed for extraordinary Neceffary-money, "was included in the 7 d. a Day. If none of these "Gentlemen had ever been Contractors, I should not "much wonder at the Doubt, "The 16th Article furcharges the Admiral's Ac"compt with Drawage-money, Adze-money, Portage, "Cartage, Charges of Clerks, Contractors Profits, &c. "all which they affirm are included in the 7 d. a Day; "and that for these, and fome of the foregoing Articles, "the faid Accompt, naturally, reafonably, and mode"rately, ought to be furcharged with £.21,649. 15s. " Id. "I have acquainted already your Lordships, that "there was never fo little as 7 d. a Man, per Diem, al"lowed to Contractors; that Mr. Papillon and his "Partners (and I do not know that any other Con"tractors have ferved the Crown cheaper) were allowed "8 d. a Day in The Chanel, and 8 d. in The Streights; "that the fame Allowance is made for broken Propor❝tions fupplied by Purfers; and that the Contractors are "notwithstanding allowed for extraordinary Freights, "Charge of Agents, Water Cask, Iron Hoops, Biscuit Bags, &c. which will appear by Mr. Colby's Cer“tificate, and the Accompt itself, which I have brought "down with me: Therefore, I am humbly of Opinion, "the Deductions are neither natural nor reafonable; but, with your Lordships Permiffion, will put it upon "this Iffue: There are fome Contractors for Victualing, "who have not yet paffed their Accompts; and, I per"fuade myfelf, they are very moderate and reasonable "Men; if these Gentlemen can prevail with the faid "Contractors to be content with 7 d. a Man, a Day, "with or without these Deductions, I will readily fub"fcribe to their Opinions. "Examinations of fome of the Commiffioners "of, and Dealers with, the Navy, &c. touching Intereft on Tallies, iffued by the late "Treasurer of the Navy. Sir Richard Haddock Knight, Comptroller of the "Navy, and Dennis Lyddell Efquire, Comptroller of "the Treafurer's Accompts of the Navy, Sir William "Gore, Mr. Peter Joy, Mr. Thomas Death, Mr. Ambroje "Crowley, Sir Stephen Evance, and Mr. John Bellamy, "Dealers with the Navy, &c. Mr. Henry Johnfon First "Clerk to the Comptroller of the Navy, and Mr. John 66 Crawley First Clerk to the Comptroller of the Trea"furer's Accompts of the Navy, Mr. William Hubbald, "Mr. Henry Durley, and Mr. John Warfild, Inftruments to the prefent Treasurer of the Navy, having "been all fworn at the Bar: 66 "Being asked, "Whether it is now the Custom and "Practice (excepting where their Affignments on the "Bills direct otherwife), to allow the Arrear of In"tereft due on Tallies and Orders, at the Time when "they made their Affignments on Bills, to fuch Per"fons who have a Right to the said Bills?" "They feverally faid, "That it is now practised as it was in the Second Article." "Mr. Lyddell being asked, "Whether, when any "Tallies and Orders were iffued, by the late Treafurer "of the Navy, or his Inftruments, to you, for any Bill 66 or Bills affigned by the Navy Board, to be paid in "Tallies and Orders; did you receive fuch Tallies and "Orders from the late Treasurer of the Navy, or his "Inftruments, without allowing or making any Dif6 66 count 66 were delivered to him generally with a Name to a "Blank on the Back of them; and did not he, or his "Affignees, receive at the Exchequer the Arrear of "Intereft due on fuch Tallies and Orders, from the "Dates of them, excepting when Affignments on Bills "direct otherwife?" "He faid, "He doth not remember whether my "Lord Orford, or his Officer, figned the Orders with "a Blank on them, or whether they were filled up; "but he received the Interest attending the Tallies." "Sir Wm. Gore, did "Examinations of fome of the Commiffioners [being asked, "When "Sir Richard Haddock Knight, Comptroller of the Navy, Dennis Lyddell Efquire, Comptroller of the Trea"furer of the Navy's Accompts, Robert Maddocks Senior lies and Orders from the Navy, or his Inftruments, without allowing or ma- rear of Interest, due from the Dates of the Tallies "They feverally faid, "That it has been fo in "Practice; and they never received the Tallies other"wife." "Then being asked, "When Tallies were paid "them, by the late Treasurer of the Navy, or his In"ftruments, whether the Orders belonging to the "Tallies were delivered to them generally with a "Name to a Blank on the Back of them; and whether "they, or their Affignees, did not receive at the Ex chequer the Arrear of Intereft due on fuch Tallies "and Orders, from the Dates of them, excepting when Affignments on Bills direct otherwife?" "They feverally faid, "We generally had the Or"ders, with Blank Affignments of the Treasurer, or "his Inftruments; and they generally paffed from Hand "to Hand without being filled up, till the late Act of "Parliament for registering." "Mr. Henry Johnson, S being asked the Two laft"Mr. John Crawley, mentioned Questions: "To the former of them, they answered," That "they always received the full Intereft upon all the Or"ders and Tallies that ever they received." "Sir Richard Haddock being asked, "How long he "hath been in the Service?" "He faid, "He hath been fo ever fince the Year 1652." "And being asked, "What he hath known, heard, or understood, as to the Cuftom of paying Poundage to the Pay-masters of the Navy, for Slop-cloaths, To "bacco, Minifters Groats, Surgeons Two-pences, and "Cheft at Chatham; and for how long he hath known, or heard, that the faid Poundage hath been accuftomed to be paid?" "Being asked, "Whether he ever heard, or knew, "from the Time of the Reftoration, of any of the "Treasurers of the Navy taking Poundage for Defal "cations?" "He faid, "He never knew of any." "Being asked, "What he knew, or heard, of the Go"vernment's allowing the Treasurers of the Navy Three "Pence per Pound, of all Monies iffued and paid by "them for the Service of the Navy; and when did the "Allowance determine, and the Salaries allowed them "in Lieu thereof commence ?" "He faid, " From the Time of the Restoration it "was taken, till November 1668: Then the Salaries "began; because the King in Council found that the "Poundage, upon the Increase of the Navy, became very extravagant." 66 "Mr. Chriftopher Godfalve, being asked the fame " Question: "Saith," He hath been 31 Years, laft February, in "the Service of the Navy; and he hath known "Poundage paid ever fince he knew the Navy, till the "Order of Council about Four Years fince. And he "hath been examined by the Commiffioners for Ac compts; and answered to the same Effect.” "Mr. John Grundy, being asked the fame Question: "Severally faid, "Ever fince they belonged to the "Navy, till about Four Years fince." "He faid, "Upon Sir Thomas Littleton's being made "Treasurer of the Navy, the King in Council, increased "the Pay-master's Salary to £.500. per Annum, and "with an Allowance of Six Clerks, paid by the King," "upon Confideration of His taking off the Pay-mafter's "Poundage for Defalcations for the future." "Mr. Wm. Beckford being asked, "What he "hath known, heard, or understood, as to the Cuf"tom of paying Poundage to the Pay-mafters of the "Navy, for Slop-cloaths, Tobacco, Minifters Groats, "Surgeons Two-pences, and Cheft at Chatham; for "how long Time he hath known, or heard, that the faid Poundage hath been accustomed to be paid?" "And being asked, " In what Year they began to ferve in the Navy?" "Mr. Mofely faid, " He hath belonged to the Navy "about Forty Years." "Mr. Ridley faid, "He hath belonged thereto about 41 Years." "Mr. Uthwat faid, " About 22 or 23 Years." "Mr. Dagget faid, " About 53 or 54 Years." "Mr. Carter faid, " About 46 Years." "Die 66 Die Sabbati, 11th March 1703. "Mr: George Dodington, Paymaster to the late Treasurer of the Navy, produced to the Lords Com"mittee Three Accompts, ftated with, and allowed by, the Governors of the Cheft at Chatham; "(videlicet,) for the Year 1683, 1686, and 1687, in the Treasurership of the late Lord Viscount "Falkland; and alfo a like Accompt for the Year 1689, in the Treasurership of the Right "Honourable the Earl of Orford: Copies whereof are as follow; (videlicet,) "A State of the Accompt of the Cheft of Ships, Guard-fhips, and Ordinaries, paid by George Dodington Efquire, Paymaster of His Majesty's Navy, between the ift of October 1682, and the 31th of De"cember 1683. "A State of the Accompt of the Cheft, of Ships, Guard-fhips, and Ordinaries, paid by George Dodington "Efquire, Paymaster of His Majefty's Navy, between the 25th March 1686 and the 31th March "1687. |