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some other caufes, they removed up the yet it would be full as extraordinary, country to Kentucky, where evident that there should be such coincidence in traces of them have been lately found; the various narratives, fupposing it were such as the ruins of forts, millftones, false. But in order to eliablish the matcarthenware, and other things. It is ter fully, and to procure information, presumed that, as their fluation there it is in agitation to form a plan, supwas secluded, and not liable to be mo. ported by Tubscription, for sending over Jelled, they left it only in consequence one or more persons properly qualified ; of discovering a more inviting country : and it is to be hoped that many of your and none could be more so than where readers, Mr. Uiban, will be ready to they finally setulcd.

concur; and, fuppofing that should be The centre of the country of the Ma- the case, they might make known their dawgwys, and where their villages are intentions to you, if it would not be mos numerous, is about 38 degrees trespalling too much to give you the North lacitude, and 102 degrees West trouble.

WILLIAM OWEN. longitude from London; but they extend (pollibly in detached communities) Mr. URBAN, Pentonville, Aug. 14. from above 37 derecesi Nortba latitude

; I HA Recome time aso been told that degrees North latitude, and 110 degrees Leominster, in Herefordshire, was por. Welt longitude. The general name of Tefled of some information respecting the Cymry is not loft amongst them, though Wellh Indians in America: I according. they call themselves Madawgwys, Ma. ly wrote to that gentleman, and desired dogiaid, Madagiaint, and Madogion; him to favour me with what intelligence names of the same import, meaning the he was able to give me on this subject, people of Madawg: hence the French and, in a few days, received from him a iravellers in Louisiana have called them very obliging letter; of which the fol. Padoucas, Matocantes, and other names lowing is an extract : bearing a fimilitude to what they call

Leominster, July 30, 1797. themselves, and by which they are

“ The Rev. Thomas Jones, of Nottage, known to the native Indians. From the country of the Madawguys rica in 1737. His fon Samuel was then three

in the county of Glamorgan, went to Ame. some of the rivers run Eaftward, and

years of age. He gave him a liberal educa. others to the Weft; by the former they tion in Philadelphia, where he took the decoine into the Millouri, and so into the

gree of D.D. Hie (Dr. Samuel Jones) wrote Millisippi, bringing with them fkins, lately to the Rev. Mr. William Richards, of pickled buffalo tongues, and other arti, Lynn, in Norfolk. In that letter he lays, cles, for traffick; and by the latter they speaking of the Madocian Indians, the finds have a communication with the Pacific ing of them would be one of the most joyful Ocean, from a great salt-water lake in things to me that could well bappen. I think their country, down the Oregan, or the I thould immediately so among hem, tho' great river of the West, through the I am now turned of fifty-five ; and there are itraits of Juan de Fuca, and other in America Welsh preachers ready to see out openings.

to visit them as soon as the way to their counThe character of these in fulated Cam.

try is discovered.' brians, who are a numerous people, is,

“ The Rev. Morgan Edwards, A.M. went

over to Philadelphia in 1761. He is a native that they are very warlike ; are more

of Monmouthshire. In a letter I had from civilized than the Indians; live in large him, dated Newark, in Pennsylvania, July villages in houses built of stones; are

15. 1786, he says, in your bouk (Hanes y commodiously clad; use horses in hunt. Bedy duwyr) you take notice of the Welsh ing; they have iron, of which they that emigrated with Mavoc ap Owen Gwymake tools, but have no fire-arms; and nedd to America in the year 1170. One Mr. they navigate the lake in large piraguas. John Filson has lately (4784) published a Their government is on the feudal fyr. book, intituled, I be Discovery, Setik meni, tem ; and their princes are considered

and present State of Kentucky; wherein, after as the direct defcendants of Madawg.

mentioning the ftory of Madoc, he has there The above is an abstract of accounts

words: “This account has at several times

drau'n the attention of the world; but, as no given by different people, all agreeing vestiges of them (the Welih) had then been in particulars, and who had not the pol; found, it was concluded, perhaps too rafhly, fibility of being connected; so that, if to be a fable, or, at lealt, that no remains of the world thould deem Madawg's emio the colony exifted; but of late years the gration too wonderful to be credited, Western settlers lave received frequent ac

counts

counts of a nation at a great distance up the will be pleased to look into Mr. War Missouri (a branch of the Mitlisippi), in man rington's Hiftory of Wales, p. 307 of ners and appearance resembling other Indi- the second edition, they will see there ans, but speaking Wellh, and retaining some

an account of the discovery of America ceremonies of the Chriftian worship; and at

in the year 1170, by Madoc, or Madog, length this is universally believed to he fact. Captain Abraham Chiplain, of Kentucky (a of North Wales; the occation of his ex.

youngest son of Owen Gwynedd, Prince gentleman whose veracity may be entirely depended upon), assured me that, in the late pedition, and the colony that he planted war, being with his company in garrison at

there. See also Wyone's History of Karkaski, fome Indians came there, and, Wales, pp. 195, 196, 2d edit.; and speaking the Welsh language, were perfectly Owen's British Remains, printed in understood, and conversed with, by two 1777, p. 103, &c. &c.; and all those Wellhmen in his company; and that they accounts, with many others, in a wello' informed them of their situation as mention- writen pamphlet *, lately published by ed above.' Thus far transcribed out of Mr. the Rev. Dr. Williams, of Sydenham. Filson's book. Then Mr. Morgan Edwards The insertion of this in your next proceeds: 'The said Millonri river is said to

Magazine will oblige many of your run a course of 3,000 miles before it falls in

Welsh readers as well as, to the Miilisippi. Kentucky was discovered

Yours, &c. EDWARD WILLIAMS. by one James M'Bride in 1754. Since the peace, abundance of people have emigrated Mr. Thomas, that I have, ever since I

P.S. I can truly say with the Rev. thither. This country was certainly inhabited by white people many years ago, as appears remember, heard many anecdotes of by the remains of two regular fortifications, thole Wellh Indians; of their having the plowing up of broken) earthenware, a been discovered occasionally by traders, pair of milliones, &c. all which were un millionaries, foldiers, &c.; but I am known to the Indians. Mr. Filion ascribes not able to recollect enough of the parthem to the Welsh, who removed from ticulars of those relations: they are thence to the Millouri, as he supposes.' Thus consequently of very little authority; far Mr. Morgan Edwards. As this is a new

and I must not disgurt your readers with affair, or rather a subject long and deeply such things. Yet I cannot help observ. buried in oblivion, and of late thus raised up; ing, that those little anecdotes, though I can say no more to it of any importance. I

of obscure origin, when they so accuhave heard some hints of Welth people being about the Millisippi about forty years ago;

mulate as to become the universal reand some other hints, of no use now, because port of a country or people, are worthy I do not perfe&ily remember the particulars of fome notice. -Mr. Oiven and myself and authority of them. I am, &c.

had an opportunity lately of consulting " JOSHUA THOMAS." Mr. William Pritchard, book seller and In addition to the above account of printer, of Philadelphia, who is now, Mr. Thomas, I here add a pallage froin

or lately was, in London, about the

Welsh Indians. He told us, that he his Hanes y Bedyddwyr, i.e. The Hil. tory of the Baptists in Wales: mentioned had often heard of them, and that they above. It is as follows:

were, in Pennsylvania, universally be

lieved to be very far Westward of the “ Mae amryw awdwyr yn sôn am y Cym- Millilippi, and that he had often heard ry hynny (yn America). Mae'r geiriau can

of people that had been amongst them; lynol mewn llythyr o Philadelphia, oddiwrth Mr. Reynold Howels at Mr. Miles yn 1752 :

but the most particular account that he • Cafwyd allan yr Indiaid Cymreig, y maent

had received, was what he heard within yn byw y tu gorllewin i'r afon fawr Millic these very few years of Dr. Samuel jippi.” (Preface, p. 18). In English thus : Jones (who is mentioned in Mr. Joshua

“ Many authors mention this Welih nation Thomas's letter). He knows now, he (in America). The following words are in fays, several in Pennsylvania who have . a letter from Mr. Reynold Howels to Mr. been amongst those Indians; and is veMiles ; s'ated at Philadelphia in 1752 : “The ry active at present in that country in Welth Indians are found out ; they are fitu- endeavouring to obtain all the infor:naated on the Weft side of the great river Mil rion poflibie on this curious lubject; and fifupi."

says that, if he should be but a very lico You perceive, Mr. Urban, ihat all

te allifted, he would immediately vilio accounts agree in placing these people those Weldin tribes.

E W. West of the Miltisipp. It is very posfible that some of your readers know * In:iluled, “ An Enquiry concerning the nothing of them but what has appeared first Discovery of America by the Europeof late in your Magazine; but if they ans, &c. By the Rev. John Williams, D.D."

SYL.

SYLVANUS URBAN, Aug. 20. Quakers. I am equally ready to assert I HAVE in my poffeffiom a copy often

and prove, that there is no body of extract of a letter from a celebrated Christians, whose care is more uniform. Jiterary female to a Biographer of Dr. ly extended to lay the foundation of the Johnson, containing ber account of the religion and education of all its mem. dispute between the Doctor and M. bers on the sacred Scriptures of truth. Knowles, of which another relation is And I have no doubt, if those, who given in the Gentleman's Magazine for think to exalt their own opinions by de. June laft. As some particulars relative faming those of others, would take the to the principal subject of the dispute pains of a candid and unprejudiced en. are mentioned in the abovesaid letter, it quiry, they would discover, that it is may not be improper to insert that part the humble endeavour, and ardent with, of 'it in a future Magazine ; and I of the Society collectively, to make therefore subjoin it, for that purpose. their tenets and practice quadrate with

Permit me now to make a few remarks the divine doctrine and example of our on the Salopian correspondent's illiberal Saviour Jesus Christ, as much as is at. seflexions on a peaceable sect of Chris- tainable in a state of human frailty : rians, of whose real principles and te. they would also clearly see, that their nets he appears to be in the darkest ig- faich, in and through him, the true norance; an ignorance which, I doubt Head of the Church, is the genuine not, will plead his excuse with the ma source of their hope and consolation.jority of those he has so unjustly at With regard to the unqualified and ab. tacked.

furd assertion, that “this fubtile feet. From the bigoted malignity of his was originally Systematised by the Je. Strictures, I strongly suspect he is as fuits,” it is almost ridiculous to notice much “cbafed" with the reading of the it: but I call upon him to prove it, by dialogue, as the good Doctor himself any historical or other evidence whatwas in his weak and pcevith support of ever. It is not my with or intention to his part of ji; for weak, indeed, are defend my principles by comparison even Colollal strength and learning, when with those of others; but I appeal to they assail the impregnable bulwarks of the impartial readers of the Gentleman's reason and of truth.

Magazine, for their decision, whether It has ever been, and I trust ever will or not the profession and practice of the be, a maxim with me, to make myself people called Quakers have been injufully acquainted with the grounds of the rious to the religious and moral interests persualion and practice of another, be- of society in general ?-I am afraid the fore I either condemn or approve : and present fate of this country is not parI am thoroughly convinced it is a maxim ticularly favourable to the propagation which, if more generally adopted, would of a simple and pure religion, free from prevent much fruitless and unprofitable the modern pageantry of the Romith contention among the profesors of and other churches; W.C. may there. Christianity. Had this been attended fore be affured, there is no great ne. to by W. Ć. I am certain there would cellizy for republishing the multy pole. have been no cause for this reply; but, micals of a Girtins or a Lollie, whose no vult decipi, decipiatur: and ihere is a “ Suake in the Grals" was well (witched certain air of High Church authority near a hundred years since. I can also and domination pervading the whole allure him, that the reveries of the Jetter, which absolutely precludes en. Quakers, as he is pleased to ftyle them, quiry, and, with an affectation of love.

are as opposite to thole of the Sweden. reign contempt, exchanges candid re borgians as light is to darkness.-To Search for groundless affertion, or wilful conclude: I refer to the unerring cria misrepresentation. What kind of Qua- terion and touch one of every order of kers this doughty polemick has met professors, “ by their fruits ye fall with, or by what arguments he contrives know them.” 10 have them so " properly dealt wiib,''

A Confant Reader of the G. M. I cannot devise; but lam bold to affert, that it is utterly impoflible for him, or Extrait of a Letter from S. 10 B. any other cuile hafiical fophift whatever,

« YOU ask me for the minutes I onco let his acureness be what it may, to

made of a certain coaverfation which patied eltablish a sing'e proof of the molt re

at Mr. Dilly's, in a literary paily, and in mote tendency io Deism in the ductrines, Which Dr. Johnson disputed to warmly with teners, or practices, of the people called Mis. Knowles. As you iecni to have an idea

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of inserting their dispute in your meditated me."-You remember our all dining together work, the Life of Dr. Johnson, it is neces at Mr. Dilly's, and the conversation after sary that something should be known con dinner began with Mrs. Knowles saying, I cerning the young person who was the sub am to entreat thy indulgence, Doctor, toject of it. Miss Jenny Harry was, for me ward a gentle female, to whom thou used to is no more, the daughter of a rich planter be kind, and who is very unhappy in the in the West Indies, who sent her to Eng- loss of that kindness; Jenny Harry weeps at land, to receive her education in the house the consciousness that thou wilt not speak to of his friend Mr. , where an ingenious her.'Quaker lady, Mrs. Knowles, was frequently Here follows the account of the Doca visitor. This gentleman affected wit, and tor's surly reply, and of the whole con• was perpetually rallying Mrs. K. on the sub- versation; which, I think, differs chiefly ject of her Quaker principles, in the pre: in manner only from that given in the sence of the young, gentle, and ingenuous Miss Harry ; who, at the age of eighteen,

C. R. had received what is called a proper and polite education, without being instructed in

Mr. URBAN, Middlesex, Sept. 8. the nature and grounds of her religious be- PARTI

ARTICULAR and proper notice

was taken, some few days ago, of a defence of her devotional opinions, upon Constant Correspondent's reflexions, p. those visits at Barn Elms. You know with 659, on the Bishop of London's manner what clear and graceful eloquence the speaks of administering the Apostolical rite of on every subject. The antagonists were Confirmacion. What this writer seems Thallow theologists, and opposed only a offended at, as if contrary to the Rubrick, pointless raillery to duly and long-studied others allow, as consistent with it. Mareasoning upon the precepts of Scripture, delivered in persuasive accents and harmonious ny years ago, at Scow on the Wold, and language. Without any design of making a the Bishop of the diocese confirmed in

perhaps other places, in Gloucestershire, proselyte, she gained one.

Miss Harry grew very serious, and meditated perpetually

the same compendious way. There is no on all that had dropped from the lips of her recollection of any person's finding faulo Qaaker friend, till it appeared to her, that with it, except the brother of an author Quakerism was true Christianity. Believing whom the learned Prelate had formerly this, the thought it her duty to join (at every disparaged. This manner of confirming hazard of worldly interest) that class of wor is no more contrary to the Rubrick, than, hipers. On declaring these sentiments, se- when several children are at the same veral ingenious Clergymen were employel time brought to the font (where only, to argue with her ; but we all know the unless in imminent and apparent danger force of firit imprellions in theology, and of death, the Rubrick perunits them) to Mrs. K's arguments were the first the had

be baptised, for the Minister to use the listened to on this important theme. This Baptismal Office for them all together, young lady was reasoned with, and threate rather than tediously for each separately, ened, in vain ; the persisted in resigning her

which the stricteft adherers to the Comsplendid expectations, for what appeared to her the path of duty. Her father, on being bear. It is indeed requisite for the Mi

mon Prayer-Book have no scruple to formade acquainted with her change of principles, informed her, that the might chuse be- nister baprising to take each child into tween one hundred thousand pounds, with his hands, and for the Bihup confirming his favour, if she continued a Churchwoman,

to lay his hands on the head of every one or two thousand pounds, if she embraced the separately. Quaker tenets. She lamented her father's The zeal of our Diocesan on this im. displeasure, but thanked him for the pecu- portant occasion was extraordinarv. On niary alternative ; afsuring him, it included the Sundays immediately before Confire all her withes in respect to fortune. She mation, he directed a suitable exhorta. foon after left her guardian's house, and tion to be read in church, preparatory for boarded in that of Mis. Knowles ; to whom it. Instantly after foleninly confirming at Me often observed, thac Dr. Johnson's diro Hammersmith *, the Right Reverend pleasure, whom he had often seen at her Paftor exerted himself admirably, in a guardian's house, and who had always been fond of her, was among the greatest mortifi- discourse of very considerable length, deo cations of her then situation : and once the

livered extempore, or memoritèr, presling

such as had ratified their baptismal vow, came home in tears, and told her friend the had met Dr. Joimson in the street, and had

not to “go their wav, forgetting straightventured to aik him how he did, but that he way what manner of persons they [conwould not deign to speak to her, and palled scornfully on: The added, “ You and he are * Here the eminent James Uher, Abp. to meet foon, on a literary party i plead for of Armagh, preached lus lait sermon.

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Sept. 5.

fequently) ought to be ;” but continu- air and light are two very essential qualially and comfortably to lead a Chriftian ties in the growth of all plants. His and correspondent life. 'Tis hoped that, curlings which have been set some time on some at least, the earnest and affec- finse ihould now be removed into pots tionate address will make a lasting and fingly by themselves, there to remain all indelible impression. But lamentable is the winter, and in the spring may be rethe impiety of the age we live in ! Con- moved into larger pois. firmation, and other sacred offices, are If he wishes to have Aowers early, I too generally made light of, as little would advise him to set the feed now (as things. No judicious persons light them, I intend doing myself), and keep them because they duly moft regard the elien- in a dry place until about January, then tial things rignified and promoted by the expose them to the weather. If he obright and solemn use of ihem. Eu-s. ferves, he will find all self-rowed feed

produce inuch better, much fronger, and Mr. URBAN, London, May 8. much earlier plants, than those sowed in IT

is not my inten:ion to controvert the spring; therefore it evidently apwhat your correspondent, p. 329, ad- pear, that feeds sown late in autumn wiil vances respecting " the feulement of the produce much better flowers in ipuing. Madawgwys'' in America ; but only to To all flowers whose leaves decay away request to know what degree of credibi. after having blown, the root remaining lity is due to the evidence advanced by fill good under ground, he will find Mr. Bowles, whu, if I millake not, came great benefit by throwing a little good down to Pensacola, in Welt Florida, in

loam on the top. 3777 or 1778, in the very humble flation

A CULTIVATING FLORIST.* of an Indian pack horse-nian, or trader, and always so much affecled the manners Mr. URBAN, and dress of his colleagues, that he ne BY

Y insertirg the following epita:h, ver could be induced even to speak Eng from Burford church, Oxfordibire, lith, although it was suppo'ed at the and of which fome correlpondent may time ihat he was an liithman, of very probably favout me with a tianflation,) low birth and manners. There are mere you will oblige,

P. W. chants now in this city, who can, I be• EDMUNDUS HARMANUS, Armiger, quem lieve, speak more particularly concern Deus, innumeris beneficiis, ab ineunte atate ing him. I do not recolleat that he was prosecutus eft, hoc Chriftianæ memoriæ confined as a Chief, or a person of any monumentum, tibi & ACNET1, unicæ & calintelligence, but, as I have menticnid tiilima conjugi, & 16 liberis, Deo benedio abore, occupying a menial station. - cente, ex illa fulieptis, pofuit, 1569. Thule hints are limply with a view to Nullus eram, &, faciente Deo, sum natus ut your correspondent's information, that he

ellem ; may not offer to the publick any other Jam nunc, de proprio femine, rurfus ero : evidence than such as can be ftamped with Inque die maguá, quæ nunc absumpta purespectability and certainty.

An Indian Chief of the Crock nation Corpora, cernemus surgere tota Deo. frequently came down, and his name was Pellite coide mutum, mca incmbra, & credite

vormet the Mad Dog Indian. Perhaps iuine in

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Cum Chrifto redditura Deo; nam vos gerit genious commen'ator may discover an

Et fecum revocat. Morbos ridete minaces; affinity between it and Mada ung; for,

Irflictos cafus contemnite; & alia fepulera barbarous as they may be fupposed, and fond as the Chiets are of titles, no one

D:1picite : exurgen quo Chriftus provocat, wouid imagine that any man would take

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Christus erit cunctis Regnum, Lux, Vita, Co. up one that carries an idea fo vile ; and particularly the Chiet 1 tpeak of, whole * CANDIDUS says, “ Though such flowers good-nature was remarkable. L. as The Cu tivating Fkrift mentions may do

well in some town Gardens, I lear inoft who Mr. URBAN, Wood-fireel, Sobl. 3.

plant such will have thrown their money YOU OUR correspondent D N. muit in

away, unless they bring good earth into their the course of next month take into Srilen. In general

, about a foot deep in lite

tle gardens in town, there is nothing but the houle, or put into a frame covered

rubbish ; ulich, I think, is the reason why with glass, all his įeraniums, myrtles, fo few things do well in a town-garden.&c. which require by using in the winter, But, uwever will take the trouble to hare or otherwilt the cold nights and mornia their garden free from tliai, and good eartia ings will materially injure them. In the pue in the place of the rubbish, ujil, i fancy, day-time let them have plenty of air, as have reason not to repent the expence.”

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