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Ponfonby, E. of Bef- who fpoke laft, he must say, by far the Bangor borough
greatett part of the Gentlemen of great proExcter Chatham
perty were at the meeting, and signed the poTorrington Hyde
tition ; that, as for himself, he could not atTankerville Monton
tend the meeting, being ill at the time, but Efangham Albemarle
did sign it ; that he never would deny himArcher Scarberough
felf being an active man in it; that as to the Fort Acue Huntingdon
Honourable Gentleman, and as to the freeBolton
Abergavenny holders not knowing what they were about, Wycomb,E.of Shel- Boyle, E. of Corke as Mr. 0-w had intinuated, he would burne
Buckinghamshire very readily admit they did not, when they King Milton
chote him for their kepresentative. Next Manchester Northumberland. to him was Mr, T. de G-, brother to Chedworth
-y-g-He said he had the Afterwards, February 12, a motion was honour to serve for a great county, (N) made in a call of the Upper Chamber by a but no petition had been resolved upon by Noble D_, that, for the future, no debate the Gentlemen, nor any great grievance comthalt be entered on till two days after plained of. Speaking of the Wthe question is put, or the motion is first petitioners, he called the BASE-BORN. made.
This gave offence, and Mr. Serjeant G-1 Debates in the Lower CHAMBER. got up, and said, the Hon. Gentleman had
An address being proposed in this Cham- broke through order, and was going to make ber, in answer to the speech, a motion was a motion ; but upon Mr. de G. made for the following amendment to it, tracting, and contessing his error, that he was viz. "That this Chamber should affure his not to correct in his language as the learned M- they would proceed to inquire into Serjeant - the motion was waved. De the causes of the discontents in his M G's having asserted there was no grievdominions. Several admitted that there were ance complained of in his county occalioned discontents. Mr. C-all faid there were a great many Gentlemen to get up, and give grievances, and very great ones ; that he an account of what had pailed in their re. knew there were great discontents in the spective counties : Among those was Şis county which he lived in ; and that, in G.S. He attacked the Ahis opinion, a change of men woull not fa- , upon what he had objected to the tisfy the people, but that there must be some- amendments that he never understood that thing more done. The A—-y Gal they could not take notice of any thing that fpoke next. His speech tendel to theiv, that did not come before thein by way of petition ; they could not properly take notice of any were they not to use their own reason were discontents, there being nothing before them they to shut their eyes and ears ? that he to warrant luch a suppolal; that in the county looked upon them as the grand inquest of he lived in he never heard of any grievances, the nation ; related his conduct with respect and did not think there was any-budy in it, to the Y Le petition ; that he did not who believed there were any very exir.ordi- originally move it, but was tent to by a num. hary; that, for his own part
, he had heard ber of Gentlemen at the races, and gave an of petitions being in fome places unduly ob- account of the great caution he had ulert tained, but that he declined, for the present, in that matter ; however, that he was fo giving any opinion about their legality, or far from dreading any thing that the A-s. what might be the confequence of them, I had thrown out, that he did avow his feeing so many perfons of distinction were having declared his opinion, that the resoluconcerned in them; and concluded against tion, which adjudged duly elected, the motion. GOW fpoke next. He was illegal, and that he was still of the fanie Laid the petitions were no proof of any gene- opinion; that he did by no means approve of ral discontent ; and that in one county, that a'C-n Officer throwing out his opinion which he had the honour to repretént, he in terrorem ar them : Sir A. A had knew the majority of the freeholders were faid the same. Those who had signed the not for the measure ; that the principal Gen- petition avowed the act, and dared their optlemen in the county were not concerned in ponents to punith them. R-by spoke it ; that very few of the Justices of Peace had next. His aim was, by wit and ridicule, to figned the petition, and very few of the lessen the weight of the peritions, and with dergy. He was anlivered by Str A- this view he proceeded to relate what he had Ay, who observed, that though he was heard of the landlord of the inn at Chelms. a frieod and well-wiher to the Genduman ford, with respect to the Eflex petitioners, to
Shew that there were few or no principal compliment to say of him, that he was in the Gentlemen among them.
cominillion of the peace. Lord ja
spoke next, then All who spoke on this side of the question Mr. Sheriff T -fend, and Mr. A -y · were exceeding bold and spirited, and did, as of Buckinghamthire, all to the same purpose. it were, set at defiance the power of A-0. C-B e role. He urged the public The military Marquis spoke next. He exdiscontents, and brought several instances of pressed a kind of sorrow for his past conduct. the M--y--'s imprudent conduct, mentioned He said he was ditsatisfied with the voice he the matter of the C -s, and particularly had given upon a former question ; that thewed the abfure conduct if one of the Go- there were discontents, and he wished the vernors they had sent over (Lord
Bt.) causes of them to be inquired into. GHe insisted on the M -'s having occa C
-y got up next and the minority fioned dilcontents at home, and having facri- thought he was going to make the same deficed, as he had too much reason to believe, claration, and indeed he set out as if he the honour of the British Ai-g. He defred meant to do fo; but he fo qualified his exto know, whether orders had not been illued pressions, that for some time no person could from some quarter, that we thoukl not inlilt tell for which side he would declare. He on the honours due io our flag ; and he said there were discontents ; that they ought called upon Sir E
H Η -, to fay, to be inquired into, but that he should give whether all that was fair had been done. bis vote against the amendment, becaule it Sir E-disclaimed knowing of any was no part of the speech. Besides, such a orders to that purpose. Lord N made general mention of complaints was to adopt but a poor defence of the M -y, and the complaint made against them, and the ufel fome arguments, that, when they came
prayer for their da
-ion, than which to be examined into, tuned very thongly a there could be nothing more absurd. Witla -gainst him. His chief arguments agzintt respect to the resolution, he had been, and there being any apprarance of discontent still was of cpinion that it was legal, but were, that the majority of the c -ties had that he would not fet up his opinion for not petitioned ; that, in those which had pe law. titioned, very few Gentlemen of great pro Sir F -cher N
n got up next. perty, very few Justices of the Peace, and He began with observing upon the question, very few Clergymen ha i figned the petitions. (viz. alteration) that he could not see how He particularly insisted upon the county of they could alter their judgment ; that he M
He averred that not one looked upon them as a Court, whose deterJustice of Peace had signed. He aflerted mination was final, there being no appeal the same nearly with respect to W.
from their decision, they being the dernier reHe recited the proceedings of that Chamber fort in e -ion matters ; that he did not in the last feflion, with regard to the expul- fpeak this with any view to prejudice the Gion of Mr. W ; though he entered question ; but thai, when it cane on, it not into the defence of the incapacitating re- might be considered, that there was no precefalution, to New, by any authorities in law, dent of their altering their judgment; that if its legality, (so what he here laid was idle, they argued from analogy, there was nothing every body knowing the facts) but avowed like it in the Constitution ; that the judghis foriner opinion, insisting on their autho ments of the Upper Chamber were final ; riy to dcterinine all e ion matters, and that he had thought, and still did, the pro that their determination was final.
ceeding legal, though he was ready to be The patrictic Serjeant hoke next. He convinced by the opinion of others ; but Mhewed the neceslity of the amendinant ; that, if a reversal of that judgment should be that the n-on expected redress; and thought neceffary, it was his humble opinion that for theni to refuse any inquiry into those an act would be the most legal and constitudiscontents was to diive. the p-ple to de- tional way of setting the matter right. pair ; that, be the dilcontents well or ill Mr. B-e got up now. He began founded, an inquiry ought to be made, and with reprehending Sir Fl—r for giếng fence they had confetle there were discon- luis private opinion in a matter new in detents, no rcalon could be given why the cau bate, at the same time not saying one fyllafes of them Mould not be inquired into. ble to the question, for setting the matter of
With respect to the Justices of the Peace, the petitions right; that it was such an anhe believed those of M X were not swer to what had been asserted of a general considered in so honourable a light; that if discontent, to say that the majority of the he was speaking of a Gentleinan of chat Emies had not petitioned, as he had county, it would pot be thought an additional never lieard. What, is it not a bad Ge
verainent, unless all the c-ies of E adation; I said, Sir, it alone was represent it as such ? Is there no proof of the sufficient; and we ought all, Sir, to fall majority of faders being discontented, down and proftrate ourlelves at his M --'s unless a majority of the principal Gentlemer feet, and implore a di---ion, for what we.. in the petitioning ca -ies, unless the Jus; have been guilty of. It is our bounden dutices of the Peace sign the petition ? Are the ty to do it. Some of the best, the only pa-ers of no account? The Gentle- triotic Members in the Long Parliament of men have many ways of securing to them Charles II. the Pension Parliament, as it felves an interest in the Gent ; pen was called, went as far as this. I am not at fons, places, being admitted to the levees of liberty now to go into an argument upon
the great men ; but what have the small fo- incapacitating measure. I will only say,
- Iders? They have no weight, no share that all the tophiftry of the greatest lawyers in the ment, if they are to be excluded has not been able to convince one man of its the privilege of e---ing Ref-es, and legality, nor even to raise a doubt about it. complaining of g-va-s in the way they He here faid fomething as to the argumept bave done. He here made a most pathetic al. that had been alle ged of the clergy not halu on to the parable of the poor man's la:nb, ving ligned, observing, that church preferand said this was the f-lders lamb. But ments did always moit powerfully operate what an argument is it to say that the pe- with them. Notwithstanding, he said, he ions do not express any general discontent, knew some that had signed; and as to what because the principal Gentlemen do not sign had been said, that the fm--holders did not them? The Gentlemen, it is well known, know, did not underitand what they were aare much influenced ; but the f-lders bout; he knew the epithe:s base-born and are above all menace, all fear, all influence. fcum of the earth had been applied to them, The Justices of Peace do not lign? The and now it was contended the opinion of Justices of Peace are under the immediate the Gentlemen was only to be regarded. But appointment of the C n; and, if it why are not f---holders Gentlemen ? What were that they did not sign, I should hope it is there that makes the freeholders base borii, would be one of the last arguments against if the Gentlemen, as they are called, are the petitions, if ever it can be any. Good not ? I know not, our Constitution knows God! Sir, is there no discontent, if all the not. A f---holder is as good a GentleGmies do not petition ? What would they man as any in the kingdom. I am alhamed have that Government to be, where every of the arguments that have been used to Member of the community is to complain a thew that there are no discontents, or just gainst it? I never heard of such an argu- grounds of complaint. They are such, that, ment as this before, and hope it will now if they were good, no discontent, no ground, be for the last time. There never was any of complaint could ever exift. But the thing like the present complaint ; not one A
-n themselves do not agree. For, oppolite p-n or address from the time the while some in high offices contend there are firit petition was presented. Look into the none, others in as high offices, frankly adhistory of former times, into Charles the mit there are, and that an inquiry ought to Second's time, into other periods, when be made into the causes of them. I mult depetitions were presented. Were there not tain you, Sir, with a few observations upon petitions againit petitions ? The Whigs the M--r's speech. Hehas not thought fit petitioning one thing, the Tories against it ; to lay a syllable or those discontents. two parties always opposing one another ; He proceeded now to state the affairs of but there never was any thing like the
-a, and observed, that they had fent. Another thing they urge against pe- brought the affairs of that country into fuch titions is, that, where the M--xP a fituation, into fuch difficulty, that wisdom intimated many grievances, the other coun
jt self could not devise the means of setting ties rejected them as groundless. What! be- them right; and that they had reversed every cause they do not mention them, but contine principle of pruelent conduct. In this part themselves to the dragon, the large grievance, he particularly exerted himielf. is that an evidence that they think they do Then he went into another part of the not exist? I was one of those who advised sph. I hey have told Europe that the not mentioning them, but confining the we are afraid of going to war, and they complaints to the vi. lation of e-ion; not have given oce of the strongest reasons in that I thought he (s caning Lord N--) the world, the want of supplies. I am àwould represent trat they did not exist, for fraid of its truth ; but that is not always to there are a great many other very great grieve be told. What must this country, that used zoces, but it alone was fufficient to urge to give law to Europe ? &c. &c.
fcribing the miseries of his country, its dan- tlemen. It wonlot be well to remember, Sit, gers from without, its discontents within, that the people once fruggled for their liberaddresfing himself to the s more parti. ties, and they had the good luck to get the cularly, you have heard, said he, the very better : And what became of the Gentle existence of this House questioned, its autho- men ? Why, they were made the servants rity contemned; and can you fit ftill, un- of mechanics and persons in business. Let moved, and hear this ? No? the very chair not so great a stress be laid upon the princiyou fit in thakes; it is without a founda- pal Gentlemen. We are told that there are
do you not feel it ftir ? do you not no gencral ditcontents; that the majority are feel it rub against you? You have heard, to very well contented. Why, Sir, Lord Clarenday, Sir, what cannot be freard among don, when he is giving an account of Charles us, the
Rve of a very great c-ý the First's execution, before the gates of his (looking to Sir G. S.) declare, that a refo- palace, tells you the generality of the people, lution, a judgment of ours, was illegal ; that were for him. But none, it seems, but balohe told his c ts fo. You lieard him born freeholders, and the scum of the earth, patiently. He ought to be sent to the ***** are now discontented.' Such, were the prinMany the most respectable present, speaking cipal arguments on the proposed amendment, for their cas, have said the same thing which was rejected by a great majority. They ought to be sent to the same place. I On the 25th of January, in the fame ought to be fent. I have said this day, what Chamb:r, the present state of affairs was in the ordinary course of things could not taken under confideration ; a question was pass unpunislied. But we are not, in the moved, that an important measure, which ordinary course of a first day's meeting, to had teen taken, was a violation of the conecho back the words of the Mr. We Atitution of the fociety, on which an emenmust not be in the ordinary course. We dation was also moved, to change the words must not be like the horned cattle in the violation of' to confiftent with ;' which hold, while the ship of the state goes finooth- question with the emendation was carried in ly down the still stream of the river. the affirmative The motion thus amended,
It had been urged by fome of the minif- that the said measure was consistent withi terial party, that every undue influence, the constitution,' allo passed in the affirmavery art had been practised, to bring about tive. the pns, by writing, private meet The numbers on the above question were ings, &c. In anfwer, he laid, What arts ! 244 and 180, majority 64. Was writing and printing undue influence ! Then Mr. Dmade a motion to And are we not at liberty to tell our cents know, whether acts of the society were not what we think upon, what we do? I never fubject to the laws of the land ; and, if so, heard before that writing and printing were whether, in the case of Mr. --, they did ùndue influence. What art had been used ! not act repugnant to the said laws. Those nothing but what was honest, that braved on the side of the chair readily granted the the day; an art that I hope will ever be used. first part of the motion, and therefore urged If any thing unconstitutional, if any thing it would be ridiculous to make it a question; illegal has been done, punish the offenders. but, as to the amendment, they utterly denied If the ps are groundless, punish the it, the society having an inherent right, they promoters of those p -s. Nothing of said, to expel any Member of their commu. this fort has been atiempted. The art; be- nity, who appeared to thern, either by his lieve me, Sir, is a very honest one You public or private conduct, to be unworthy of hear nobcdy recede, nobody disclaim the à feat in that chamber. --The debates then art. It was an art to preserve the constitu- became very general, and numbers on both tion, the form of
8 -t. Don't think fides spoke very warmly, when Mr. B-k I say it is the best gamm-nt: No, by no got up. He began his speech (contrary to means : It may be in theory; but let us at his usual custom, as be divefted himself of all frast preserve the forms of a constitution. his metaphors, and spoke merely argumenThe opinion of the f-s has been ridi- tatively) by . shewing the foundation, auculed and represented as the effect of igno, thority, and prerogative of the society. He rance. The opinion of the f -s, of pointed out wherein they were a society by the yeomen of this country, and their fons, themselves, and where they were dependent is not to be so treatel. They have good sense, on the laws of the land. He next observed, at leait, if they have not all the ingenuity, as the members of this society were but the all the fophify of some Gentlemen. They dels of the p-e, they liad not, nor are an honest, a most respectable body. We could have, a right 'o expel any member afbave huurd a great deal of the principal Center he had been re-clioten by them. He mere 5
tioned, he said, the word re-chofen, because, blended into one, it was regular, and agreein a first instance, (for any cause that appear- able to usage, to split the propositions into ed to them sufficient) they were intitled to two separate questions; and, for the proexpel, but that expulsion, once being made, priety of this proceeding, the chair was rewas the punishment for that offence; and it ferred 10.--The President entered into a difwas contiary to the very essence of the rules cussion of the point referred to him, and of this fociety, as well as the laws of this concluded in the negative. He added, that, land, that a criminal Mould suffer tivice for where a question was to be referred to him, in the same offence; therefore, if a Member was his judgment, candor required that it should once expelled, and aftervvards re-chosen, he be communicated before-hand, that he might possessed every right, both by law and rea search for precedents, and give his opinion lon, to be their Member.'
with his best ability. On the other hand, SOn the zift of January, Mr.
DI W- knew of no obligation that required waved his former question, viz. That the de- such previous intercourse. The animadvertermination of this Chamber shall be agree- fion of the President upon this declaration able to the law of the land, and the known was thought to imply a charge againit the law and custom of Parliament; and made Member of the Club; and a motion was the following motion, viz. That this Cham- made, that the President had spoken in a ber has no power to incapacitate a Member manner injurious to the character of a Menn. but by an express act of Parliament: This ber of the Club; and in a style that conwas debated till one o'clock, when L- trouled the course of a free inquiry. The N-th made the following motion : That mation was feconded, and drew on warm the Chainnan do leave the chair, which passed and eager altercations.' It was difficult to in the affirmative, there being
ascertain the precise words of the Prehdent For the question
or the Member ; different constructions were Againit
put upon the words of both. --Each explain
ed himself-others explained the words difMajority
ferently. A motion was made to adjourn which dissolved the Committee.
the Club, and feconded. The Prelident On the uth of February, in the same faid he did not chuse to thrink from any Lower Chamber, the state of the nation was question,
and desired to take the fenfe of the a vain taken into consideration ; and Mr. Club. The motion to adjourn was with D-l moved, That, for the future, no drawn. The matter in dispute was often exeife or revenue Officer Mould have a v-te compromised, and as often broke out afresh: at e-c-ns; after long debates, the ques. one moment it died away, the next it req tion was put, when there appeared
vived ; but, at the desire of the President, Against the question
the question upon the original motion was fiFor
188 nally put, and, upon a division of the Socią
ety, the numbers were, for the Separation, Majority
174, against it 343. And upon another The report of a certain Committee was to division, some time. afier, Whether they have been received the 18th of February: mould agree with the Committee, who had Previous thereto, S-W-M debated the question formerly, the numbers observed, that, where two questions were were 237 and 159.
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