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that nothing short of revolution and a re- relinquished. I consider it as the salvation public was their real object. With respect of the country, by calling forth the energy to our perseverance in the war with and the resources of the people. As a war France, and the repeated failure of over tax, I hope and trust, if any cause should tures set on foot for the restoration of arise to call for extraordinary exertion, peace, his majesty's ministers were equally that it will be again brought forward, beblameless, and their conduct had been re- cause I think it well calculated for that peatedly approved by parliament. Negotia- purpose. The hon. baronet has denomitions on our part were never deferred, nor nated it a cruel and oppressive measure; declined, but when the fugacity of osten- but he will recollect, that it originated sible power in the men who, from time to with the city of London. It was called time, composed the revolutionary govern- for by the city, and by the commercial ment of France, left no security whatever men, who brought it before parliament for the observance of any treaty, or the for its approbation. As to the conduct permanence of any peace which could be of a dear and noble relation of mine (lord concluded. The last overtures at Lisle, Grenville) at the time to which the hon. on the ground of pacific negotiation, was baronet alludes, I shall say nothing; but I for a naval armistice, which must have do, from the bottom of my heart, believe, allowed to France the power of recruiting that to the wise and upright conduct of the her navy, and left this country at the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Pitt) we owe mercy of the naval coalition since at every blessing which we now enjoy, and tempted to be formed against her; but the privilege of sitting here. The country such a proposition could only be listened has borne witness to his abilities, and posto with indignation. Parliament and the terity will do justice to his memory. I am country at large with one voice approved convinced, that to be the object of the the rejection of overtures on such a calumny of the hon. baronet and his ground, and the result had eminently friends, and of their slanderous rancour, justified our refusal. When Buonaparté, is the proudest boast of his heart, satisfied with a rash and despotic hand, seized on as he must be of having well earned the the reios of government, and proposed gratitude and praise of his countrymen, overtures of peace, his majesty's ministers On these grounds, I shall give my decided had too fresh in their recollection the dissent to the motion. short lived power of his predecessors, to Mr. Archdall begged to acknowledge warrant them in the hope that any peace the compliments which the hon. baronet suddenly concluded with him promised had paid to the parliament of Ireland, as greater permanence. But when the people a cruel, and even as a suicidal body of of France, tired of the horrors of the men ; as one of them, he would assure the revolutionary conflict that had long torn hon. baronet, that they received all his their country, agreed to confirm his compliments with the most sovereign government, and such a degree of stability acquiescence. As to the ministerial warseemed to attach to it, as warranted a re- fare levied against Ireland, it consisted in liance

upon a treaty of peace concluded acts of concession, from the commencewith France, under his direction, over- ment of the war to the union of the partures were accepted. He was one of liaments—acts of repeated concession and those who did not approve the terms of disappointed conciliation. He then men. the peace ; yet it was pretty plain, that the tioned the different popular acts passed confidence of his majesty's present minis- there, particularly the militia bill, to which ters, who concluded the peace,was seconded he said Ireland chiefly owed its preservaby the confidence of the country, as was tion at this moment; but which was not obvious from the promptitude of negotia- what the bon. baronet had recommended, ting a loan for 25,000,0001. on terms a debating army; and the Roman Catholic peculiarly advantageous to the public. bill, of which the Catholics had expressed This was a true criterion that our wealth an opinion, by publishing, that they should remained unimpaired. The hon. baronet, for ever remember with the most lively (continued the noble lord), has charged gratitude, the benefits which they had reministers with having abandoned the ceived during the earl of Westworland's income tax, as being inefficacious and dis- | administration : all this war of ministry, graceful to the country. It was a tax the Irish people had happily survived, and instituted for the prosecution of the war ; found they were existing very well with and while it lasted, I never wished it to be them; yet lord Westmoreland was one of (VOL. XXXVI.]

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that ministry, under whose government out proof; but of all the speeches he had more good laws had been made for Ire- ever heard, the speech of the noble earl land, than in all the governments of all was of that very description. It was not the lords lieutenant, from lord Wentworth easy to sit silent after hearing the panedown to lord Wentworth Fitzwilliam. gyric which the noble earl had uttered in. After mentioning this last nobleman with defence of his majesty's late ministers, great respect, he said, the next govern- and of the whole of their measures. Among ment was a government of self-defence; other subjects of encomium was the init was assailed by rebellion and civil war, come tax, which the noble earl expressed and was obliged to repel force by force. his hope would always be adopted as a Could the hon. baronet say, that commo. war tax in any future contest. But a tax tion should go so far, and no farther, and so detestable, he hoped would never again. that the hand which might raise a storm be adopted. By the blessing of God, he could be sure to allay it? As to the free would bring forward a question, the deciquartering of the army, he should not sion upon which, he hoped, would brand defend nor blame it. All he should say this tax with some mark of eternal infamy. was, that it was not an act of the late Was any man prepared to say, that an ministry, but of the regretted character inquiry should not be instituted into the who was then the commander-in-chief, sir conduct of a ministry, who had dilapi. Ralph Abercromby. The House would de dated 258 millions of the public money, termine what aggressions the late ministry granted 583 pensions, and created 95 had committed against the constitution, peers! If inquiry was resisted, the parwhen they considered the union with Ire- liament of this country would soon be, land -a measure, which, he trusted, would placed in the situation in which the hon. transmit to the latest posterity their names,

baronet had described the parliament of as the best protectors of an united empire. Ireland to have been; it would be comHe would close what he had to say with pelled to commit an act of suicidal justice. adverting for a moment to the right hon. Lord Belgrave thought the motion of gentleman who had been at the head of the hon. baronet should be converted into that ministry, against whom the motion a practical compliment to his majesty's was particularly directed; he adverted to late ministers. He should say little with that gentleman with those sensations which respect to the argument of the hon. inferior minds must feel when they con- baronet; but it appeared to him that, with template an object so far above them; but the sentiments which actuated his mind, if after a long ministerial life of difficulties, he ought to have proposed certain resoluwhich could only be exceeded by the spirit tions for the purpose of grounding on which surmounted them; if, after years them an impeachment. The hon.baof unceasing exertions and undiminished ronet had not, however, been contented popularity, he chose to rest from the ser- with censuring the conduct of the late vice of a crown which he had asserted, ministers, but the present ministers, the and a country which he had saved, rich parliament, the judges, the police magisat least in the consciousness of his cha- trates, the governor of Cold Bath-fields racter, and the patriotism of his labours; prison, as well as other persons, had come if after this some one should come forward in for a share of the censure. It was well to criminate his merits in the parliament that the speech of the hon, baronet had which had witnessed them, even he would been made in that House; had it been presume to speak what the right hon. gen. made elsewhere, at least so far as it retleman need not condescend to speak for garded the judges, it must have been himself-that to this House it would be treated with contempt, or prosecuted as enough to say, as bis illustrious father a libel. He had been a member of the said before him, “ You know these hands committee appointed to inquire into the are clean;" and to his accuser it would economy of Cold Bath-fields prison, and pot be too much to say,

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and immediate relief, if necessary, afforded. Mr. Jones said, it had been observed He could not but think that governor by the noble earl, that the speech of the Aris had been harshly treated in some hon. baronet was full of assumption with speeches made in that House ; for no in



dividual had complained of oppression, had been brought forward in support of except some of the mutineers.--Had the the motion which could induce a grand hon. baronet simply proposed the motion, ) jury to put a man on his trial. He had he would not have moved any amendment, heard much of Bastiles ard Cold Bathbut as the hop. baronet had coupled it with fields, but he could not discover that any a speech containing the strongest censure, abuse of power existed. The motion aphe thought the House should express its peared to him to be more directed against decided opinion as to the conduct of the the majority of that House than against late ministers, to whom the country was, ministers ; but he had always understood in his opinion, indebted for its salvation, that the majority ought to govern the He would, by way of amendment, ac- minority. The motion was brought forcordingly propose, that all the words, ward at the very moment of peace, when, after the word “ that,” should be omitted; whilst the hon. baronet was asserting the and that in the room of them should be country to be ruined, the people were inserted the words, “ the thanks of this displaying the greatest confidence in its House be given to his majesty's late ministers, for their wise and salutary Mr. Bouverie expressed his approbation conduct throughout the late war, by of the motion. During the late contest which they have maintained the national much had been promised, but little had honour, and preserved the constitution." been performed. It was the indisputable

The Speaker said, that such an amend right of the public to inquire how their ment was certainly consistent with the affairs had been conducted during a conforms of parliament, but was extremely test in which so much blood and treasure unusual.

had been expended, and it was the object Mr. Pitt said, he would not offer one of the motion to institute such an inquiry. word on the original motion, but he hoped If on the result of this inquiry ministers he might be allowed to suggest, that the should appear to have acted for the public amendment proposed by his noble friend, good, they would, no doubt, receive a though within the letter of the order proper tribute of approbation; and if the of the House, was certainly against contrary should turn out to be the case, the general course of proceeding; and it was but just that they should meet the therefore it appeared to him better not punishment they deserved. to proceed on the amendment. The Sir R. Buxton opposed the motion. House had met with a vague and imperfect He thought that, instead of gaining nonotice of some motion to be levelled thing by the war, we had gained our obagainst the late administration, but with ject. He admitted that the suspension of no knowledge of the particular points of the Habeas Corpus act was in some degree that motion, which manifested, as he an infringement of the liberty of the thought, a want of that accommodation subject; but the question was, whether which the House at least might have ex. that liberty was not to give way

for a time pected. But his noble friend would to the safety of the country? There recollect, that as to the amendment, never was a war accompanied by rebellion, there had been no notice whatever ; it in which so few persons had suffered. It it would therefore be an unusual course was surely better to pass a few temporary to pursue the amendment which his noble acts as a preventive, than to bring a friend was inclined to propose ; he hoped number of persons to condign punishment. therefore, for the sake of the House, and Mr. Alexander said, that the speech of of those to whom the amendment re- the hon. baronet was a charge of unqualated, that he would not now bring it lified corruption on the parliament, and forward.

on the late ministers as the agents of that Lord Belgrave said, he should not have corruption. Nothing had been thrown out moved the amendment, had it not been against those ministers which did not emfor the speech of the hon. baronet; but | brace the legislature and the government, after such a violent speech, it was neces- and which did not equally tend to cast sary for him, in a manly manner, to ex contempt upon all those persons by whom press his opinion. He would, however, the government must be administered. withdraw the amendment.

Sir W. Elford said, he had attended to Mr. Ellison said, he was convinced the the speech of the hon.baronet, and not one House was not to be led astray by “sound syllable in it appeared to him to apply to and fury signifying nothing.” No fact the late administration : the strictures were

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all censures on the parliament, for enact- | never more necessary than at present, ing those laws of which the hon. baronet when our nearest and most formidable had complained, and for supporting the neighbour had received a considerable acwar, and the other measures of that ad. cession of power, and when the principle ministration; and the latter part of his of her government was essentially military. speech was a gross libel on the late Irish With these views, it was the intention of parliament, and a tender apology for the bis majesty's confidential servants in the Irish rebels. He was so fully convinced first place to put the navy in a good state; of the merits of those who were the ob- the establishment would not only be conjects of the motion, that he wished the ducted with the strictest economy, but forms of the House would admit of the kept up in the very best manner. He motion of thanks proposed by the noble was perfectly sure there was the same lord being now made. He had long disposition in ministers to turn their atthought, that considering the unparalleled tention to the ordnance.

With respect obligations which this country owed to to the army, it stood higher now than at his majesty's late ministers, some active any former period of the war. proof of its gratitude ought long ago to persuaded that every thing which could have been manifested. When he saw those be done in that branch of the service was right hon. gentlemen retiring from office, to be expected from the illustrious prince not with what used to be called emphati- at the head of that department. It alcally ministerial fortunes, not with that ways appeared to him, however, that it independence which their great talents was impossible to come to any definitive would have procured for them, had they arrangement with respect to the army on been exercised in any other way than in a peace establishment, till the number and the service of their country, he should organization of the militia was concluded ever consider it as an eternal disgrace to upon. This country was assailable in the country, and to the House in parti- many points; and it was impossible to cular, that no one had, before this time, maintain a regular army equivalent to the moved an humble address to his majesty, defence of those points, without an enorto implore him to bestow some signal mark mous expense.

It was therefore thought of bis royal bounty on those gentlemen, expedient, upon constitutional grounds, which that House would make good. and those of economy, to propose an inThe House divided :

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of the 26th of his present majesty ; and as, So it passed in the negative. Lord since that period, not less than twelve acts Belgrave then gave notice of his intention had been passed relative to the militia of to bring forward, after the recess, a mo. England, and five for Scotland, it was his tion of thanks to the late administration. intention to propose the consolidation of

these laws, with such amendments as Debate in the Commons on the Militia should appear necessary. With respect Bill.] Mr. Secretary Yorke said, he rose to the augmentation of the militia, it apto move for leave to bring in a bill to peared to him never to have been suffiamend and consolidate the militia laws, cient in point of number. In the Ameri. and to augment the number of the militia. can war it was found necessary to aug. His majesty's ministers had thought it ne- ment the militia, then consisting of 32,000 cessary, at the conclusion of the definitive men, by an additional 10,000. During treaty, to pay every attention to the de- the present war, in 1794, it was found nefensive system of the country. He en cessary to augment the militia in the same tirely agreed with what had been observed way; afterwards, when the danger of on a late occasion, that peace was to be the country increased, the militia was preserved by a mixture of conciliation and again considerably augmented, the whole firmness. No principle could be more announting to 90,000 men. Every genwise than this; but the benefit of it could tleman must see that to have recourse, on only be derived from placing the country the emergency of the moment, to the meain a proper posture of defence. This was sure of increasing the militia, must inter

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fere with the regular service; while that general outline. With respect to the increase could not, at such a moment, be powers of the lieutenants, they would reeffected without a considerable expense, main the same. With respect to the speand the ultimate effect of the measure cified quota, he proposed that one-third would be much weakened. It appeared should be added to the number of those to him, therefore that the defence of the to be furnished by each county. He country ought to be taken upon a system had endeavoured to procure accurate in. of peace, leaving as little as possible to the formation from the returns made by the emergency of the moment. He thought, different counties of the relative proporthat from the extent of the island of Great tion which ought to be furnished by each ; Britain, and the number of points which but he had found those returns so inaccurequired to be defended, making every al- rate, as to be wholly useless for the purlowance for the co-operation of the navy, pose for which he wanted them. He this powerful island ought to be able to should therefore propose, that the 40,000 put under arms, at the commencement of men should be raised according to the old a war, for the purpose of defence, 100,000 proportion for a limited time. The privy men. He thought also, that we ought to council would then be able to obtain corbe able, at such a moment, to lay our rect and accurate returns, and might upon hands on 70,000 militia. In the northern those data ascertain a quota which might part of the island, it was his intention to remain for ten years : at the end of that propose, that there should be a militia of period a new apportionment to take place. from 10,000 to 12,000 men. It would be The House would see that this was only observed, that Scotland bad, till of late enforcing the original plan. With respect years, produced no militia, though she to the mode of enrollment, he intended to had sent forth many hardy and excellent propose some material alterations. The soldiers. It became a question, whether first was, that no man should be enrolled it would be most advisable to enrol the without being examined by a surgeon : it whole of the 60,000 men, of which it was was well known, that men were frequently proposed the militia should consist in enrolled who were actually unfit for serEngland, at once, or to enrol only a part, vice : there would be therefore a great and to enable his majesty to enrol the re- saving, if, previous to enrollment, they mainder in the hour of danger. The were examined by the assistant surgeon greatest advantages would result to the of the regiment, or, if he was not near the country from thus having 70,000 men with spot, by some other surgeon of competent arms in their hands, ready in the moment skill. The next regulation that he intendof danger; and the expense would be ed to propose was, that the men enrolled comparatively small; as, from the best should be divided into classes; that in one calculation he could make, it would not class should be placed those who were unamount to more than 230,000l. for the mi- married, and under 30 years of age ; in litia of England, including the whole ex- another, those who were married, but had pense of officers and wen. This expense, no children; in another, those with one would, however, be lessened, if 40,000 child : and so on ; by this means, as all the men were raised in England, and 9,000 in classes need not be called out together, Scotland ; and his majesty was empowered recourse might be had, in the first instance, to raise, by proclamation, the remaining to the youngest men, and those with the 20,000 in England, and 3,000 in Scotland, smallest families. With respect to submaking a communication of the circum- stitutes, they should be taken from those stance to parliament. By these means, who resided in the same county as those the militia would be much better filled up for whom they served. As to the orgathao it could possibly be by raising a great nization of the regiments, each company number on the emergency of the moment. should have a captain, and that fieldWith respect to the amendments that he officers should not have companies. intended to propose in the existing regu. With respect to the formation of the relations, they would embrace the following gimental staff, there should not be a payobjects: the powers of lieutenants--the master to any corps which consisted of specified quota-the mode of inrolment- less than three companies; his object was, substitutes-the organization of the regi. to prevent the great expense which arose, ments—the formation of the regimental at present, from small corps having as staff-the training, exercising, and err:- large a staff as those consisting of much bodying of them. He should state the greater numbers. He also intended to .

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