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the contrary, he condemned it; but he information, he had determined to abstain mentioned it as a matter of caution to the from noticing the matter until the result of persons to whom he alluded, in order that investigation should be laid before the that the people might not be driven to a House. It had been, however, prematurestate where resistance would become a ly introduced by the hon. member for duty.

Preston, who, no doubt, could only have Mr. J. Grattan considered it his duty been influenced by motives of humanity. to deny the fact of the impossibility of How deplorable was it that twenty-one hucollecting tithes, or that any combination man lives had been sacrificed in a squabble existed to deprive the clergymen of their about tithes. Whatever might be the rerights. It had been asserted by the sult of this inquiry, he should have been learned member for the University of glad to have observed (what he lamented Dublin that a clergyman in the neighbour- he did not) on his side the House, hood where this transaction had occurred, something like regret that Irish blood had had been obliged to send his books to been wasted, and that the spirit of the Dublin to be sold for the support of his living was not unafflicted at the massacre family. Now he (Mr. Grattan), as a gen- of the dead. tleman who resided in that county, felt it Mr. Maxwell had only stated what he his duty to contradict that statement. He believed to have been the facts. was ready to testify that there could not Mr. Hunt, in moving that the petition be a better set of clergymen than the be printed, could not agree that the disclergymen of the county of Wicklow ge- cussion had been premature. Whether it nerally; but he would deny that there was had or not, he trusted it would have a any combination to deprive them of their good effect. It was but a few days ago just rights. He felt bound to state, that they had read in the public prints of the in his late canvass, previous to his return slaughter of eighteen human beings at for Wicklow, he had heard in that part of Merthyr Tydvil. Now they had to peruse Wexford, bordering on Wicklow, where the melancholy details of another butchery this matter had occurred, murmurs of com- of twenty-one of his Majesty's subjects. An plaints against the individual who was pro- opportunity had now been afforded to the minently connected with this transaction. publicof hearing something from both sides, It was exceedingly wrong to have called respecting this latter slaughter. Whether out the Yeomanry. The police, who, when the Yeoman shot himself, as the Yeoman applied to, appeared to have conducted did at Chichester, he did not know, but the themselves extremely well, should alone fact was, that one score of a Catholic pohave been employed. The Yeomanry, it pulation had been slaughtered without rewas well known in Ireland, were generally morse by an Orange Yeomanry. He sinselected from party motives, and they were cerely trusted that the result of an inquiry consequently a very obnoxious force. would be satisfactory, but still he could

Colonel Chichester thought it was high- not but regret that such a system of havoc ly wrong to enter into such a discussion should be resorted to. in the absence of the right hon. the Secre- Sir J. Newport deprecated prejudging tary for Ireland. He did not believe such a question. He lamented, as much that the peasantry had fired on the Yeo- as any one could lament, the loss of manry.

human life that had taken place on this Mr. Walker said, the whole disturbance occasion, but he hoped the House would was to be traced to the great poverty of set its face against such premature discusthe peasantry.

sions. Mr. O'Connell said, that having learnt Petition to be printed. that twenty lives had been lost, he had made an application yesterday to Govern- ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS.] The ment relative to this melancholy transac- Speaker stated, that he had to read to tion, and had been informed by the Secre- the House his Majesty's answer to the tary for Ireland, that the Irish Government Address. It was as follows :had at once instituted an inquiry into the

“I return you my sincere thanks for matter, and that they had sent down a very proper officer, Mr. Greene, the your dutiful and loyal Address, and for King's Counsel, to investigate the transac- your assurances that you will make such tion on the spot. Having obtained that I further provision as may be necessary


the public service, as well as for the appli- , tention of the noble Lord to the state of the cation of the sums granted by the last New Road from the West of London to the Parliament.

City, some parts of which were in a state

truly disgraceful, particularly the streets “ In all measures that may be ne- at Pentonville, and parts of the City Road. cessary for the improvement of the re- Lord Granville Somerset said, that consources, and for the preservation of the siderable sums had been spent upon the peace of the country, as well as for the improvements of the Strand, and the support of the honour of my Crown, I rely public were now annoyed by the erection

of a building for the exhibition of the with confidence on your constant and zeal

skeleton of a whale. He wished the whale ous co-operation."

had had some other local habitation, as On the Motion of Lord Althorp it was

its present covering obstructed the view of

St. Martin's church, and was an annoyresolved, nemine contradicente,

ance to those who wished to obtain a sight “ That an humble Address be present of that beautiful building. He would take ed to his Majesty, to return his Majesty the liberty, therefore, of asking the noble the thanks of this House for his most gra- Lord whether, this shed had been erected cious Answer to their Address."

with his approbation and knowledge ?

Lord Duncannon assured the noble Lord, IMPROVEMENTS IN London.] Lord that the building he complained of, which Duncannon moved to renew the Bill of last had been erected with his acquiescence, Session, which gave power to the Com- would remain but a very short period, and missioners to build a new street from he begged the noble Lord to recollect, Waterloo Bridge to the northern parts of that the whale thus accommodated was the metropolis, appointed by 7th of George the prince of whales. The new street 4th, for carrying into effect the improve- from Waterloo Bridge, as far as Bowments in the Strand,

street, would entail

a very small exMr. Ridley Colborne wished to know, whe- pense on the public, as the cost would ther the public land which had been given be defrayed by the sale of lots of Crown to the King's College, had not been granted land, forming the site of new houses. The on the condition that the facade of the Col- Crown, however, had no interest in the lege towards the river should be made to street to the north of Bow-street, but as form an eastern wing to Somerset House, that line of it would improve the adjacent exactly corresponding to that at the western properties, the proprietors would contriextremity of the building ? He thought bute to the expense. The state of the no one could deny, that it was desirable to metropolitan roads did not come exactly make one wing of a great public building within the superintendance of the Board of correspond with the other, but it appeared Woods and Forests, but at present its attento him that the College had been erected lion was directed to the subject. in utter defiance of this agreement; and Mr. Goulburn thought, that as the new he required to know by what authority street would greatly benefit the two noblethis had taken place.

men whose estates were adjacent to it, Mr. Goulburn said, that the ground had it was but right that they should contribeen granted upon such conditions : and bute to the expenses of the improvement. as it appeared to him that they had not Lord Duncannon said, the noble indibeen complied with, he had applied to a viduals to whom the hon. Gentleman recompetent authority, by whom he had ferred, had, on being applied to, expressed been informed, that the building was so their desire to enter into an arrangement, erected as to admit of the façade to the but the Board to which he was attached river being completed in exact conformity had nothing to do with the proposed imto the western wing of Somerset House, provement beyond Long Acre. and that it was intended so to com- Bill brought in. plete it.

Mr. Cressett Pelham hoped the inform- DEAN FOREST.] Lord Duncannon ation given was well-founded, for the east- moved for leave to bring in a Bill to asern wing was at present a most unsightly certain the boundaries of Dean Forest, and object.

to inquire into the rights and privileges Mr. Hudson Gurney wished to call the at- claimed by free miners, and other purposes.


Lord Granville Somerset wished to take | vote, as was the case at Preston, and his the present opportunity to state, that the constituents and himself were anxious prison of St. Leonard's, near the Forest of that all their countrymen should enjoy Dean, was in a miserable condition. He the same privileges. He did not mean to had seen a person who had been confined throw any impediment in the way of the several months, and could have no change plan introduced by Ministers, for he beof air but by an order from the Justices. lieved there was an overwhelming majority In such a prison, persons confined suffered in its favour throughout the country, and dreadfully, and he trusted that some at- he had no doubt it would be carried with a tention would be paid to his represent-high hand. He certainly thought it would ation.

do but little good, but the general opinion Lord Duncannon assured the noble Lord | seemed to be, that if this was settled, the peothat the subject bad come under con- ple would soon obtain the other things they sideration, and he hoped some beneficial demanded. He regretted, that his opinion alterations would shortly be made. on this subject should have been misrepreBill brought in.

sented, and he conceived the petition to be

a completeanswer to the misrepresentations Corn Laws.] Lord Milton was anxious which had been made of his unpopularity to take advantage of the earliest oppor- with his constituents. He maintained, that tunity to state, that it was his intention, by the old law of the land, up to the reign of on the first convenient day (of which he Henry 6th, every man had a right to vote, would give due notice), to bring the sub- and at present the great body of the ject of the Corn-laws under the consider- people were looking forward to regain the ation of the House. He would confine privileges of which they had wrongfully himself in the present Session to moving been deprived, They said, “give us the Recertain resolutions, expressive of the ex- form Bill, and we will obtain the measures pediency of a revision of those laws, post- which will satisfy us." He had been asponing till the next Session a full dis- sailed by such violent charges, which were cussion of their principle and tendency. equally false and scandalous, of having de

Mr. Hunt would, in the present Session, ceived the people, that he wished an ingive the House an opportunity of the full quiry to be made, and if the charges were discussion which the noble Lord would proved, he ought to be expelled from postpone till the next, on the occasion of that House. He denied that he was à motion which it was his intention to connected with either Whigs or Tories, submit for a repeal of the Corn-laws. and detested horoughmongering, by whom

soever it was practised. REFORM IN PARLIAMENT.] Mr. Hunt Mr. James could not assent to the statepresented a Petition from Preston, signed ments of the hon. Member. He had been by 3,000 or 4,000 persons, praying that the all his life an advocate for Universal franchise rights which they at present Suffrage, the Vote by Ballot, and Annual possessed might not be interfered with by Parliaments; but would abandon all, exthe Reform Bill. This petition he had cept the Ballot, in favour of the measure of received previous to the late dissolution, Reform proposed by Ministers. Should, and it would be in the recollection of the indeed, that measure fail-as he did not House, that he had asserted that the measure expect-in producing all the benefit which of Reform proposed by Ministers had not he contemplated, he would again be an satisfied the people of the north of Eng- out-and-out radical Reformer. land. They demanded more than that Bill Mr. Slaney was sure that the bitterest professed to give. This declaration had foe of Reform could not give utterance to been denied by several hon. Members, any doctrine more insidiously adapted to but the petition now presented was mar the success of the Reform Bill than proof of the correctness of his assertion; for that just propounded by the hon. member although his constituents supported the for Preston. Reform Bill, yet they prayed the House Mr. Hunt next presented a Petition to grant Universal Suffrage, Annual Par- from the county of Somerset, the result liaments, and Vote by Ballot, and they of a public meeting, approving of the would not be satisfied until these were Ministerial plan of Reform. The hon. obtained. He agreed with this opinion, Member declared, that the petition had for he thought every man had a right to been intrusted to him, in preference to


the county Members, because they had, with the Ballot would be sufficient to renconfidence in him, and that the meeting der Universal Suffrage and Annual Paragreed unanimously, that the Ballot was liaments unnecessary. necessary for the security of the voters. Petition laid on the Table. He had been accused of being an enemy to Reform, and that he had changed his TIME or MEETING.] The Speaker, political principles, and been boughtover to on the question of adjournment, said, he the side of the Tories. In contending was anxious to ascertain the feelings of that the Bill was by no means entitled to the House as to the hour on which he the popular commendation so lavishly be- should in future take the Chair. As that stowed upon it, he but spoke the senti- was the first day of private business, and inents of his constituents, who again re- on that account expecting a press of such turned him, notwithstanding the efforts business, he came down to the House at of the Parliamentary Candidate Society three o'clock, as he had himself proposed ; to unseat him; so that all the stories but as no such press could be expected relating to his unpopularity at Preston to-morrow, or in future, he wished to were untrue.

know whether it was the wish of the House Mr. Alderman Waithman was sure that that he should take the Chair at three or something must be done towards curing at four o'clock; [Loud cries offour the hon. Member of his cacoethes loquendi o'clock," from all parts of the House.] malady. Night after night the hon. Mem- He begged it therefore to be understood, ber was wasting the time of the House with then, that in future he should not come long-winded egotistical harangues, in down to the House till a quarter to four which nobody felt the remotest interest, o'clock. and which the Reporters, in the exercise of that discretion—for which he (Alder

HOUSE OF man Waithman) could never be too grate

LORDS, ful-very judiciously permitted to drop Friday, June 24, 1831. into deserved oblivion. The other even- MINUTES.) Bills brought in. By Viscount MELBOURNE, to

Revive and Continue Expired Commissions, Appointing he heard the hon. Member make use

ments, Patents, and Grants in Ireland; and to Indemnify of not less than seventy-five “ I,”—“ l's,” “ I did this,” and “ I did that,” in twelve Petitions presented. By the Marquis of WESTMEATH,

from the Inhabitants of Moate, for the revision of minutes by the clock. If the hon. Mem

the Criminal Laws. . By the Bishop of Bristol, for the ber proceeded at this rate, the hon. mem- Abolishment of Slavery, from the Inhabitants of Tipton ber for Kerry (Mr. O'Connell) would have Kirkby, Wharfe, Trowlesworth, Auchtergavin, Harling,

Little Waldingfield, Town Malling, Farforth-cum-Maidento complain of his monopoly of long-winded well, Wrotham, Yaxham, and Welborne, Smarden and egotism being invaded.

Itchen, and Alfeld. By the Earl of SHREWSBURY, for the Mr. Hunt was not an orator, par ex

regulation of Grants for Education in Ireland, from the

Inhabitants of Graig, Ullard and Powerstown, Killameny, cellence, like the hon. Alderman, but Windgap and Tullarkaright, Elmlafad, and Kilmargan, would nevertheless pledge himself not to and nine or ten other places for Reform, from Lady produce the invariable effect of the hon.

Island, Carne, Wexford, and several other places; and

for the Repeal of the Subletting Acts, from Roman CathoAlderman's orations on all who had the lies of Graig, Ullard, and Powerstown, and several others; misfortune to hear them--namely, set

from Roman Catholic Tradesmen and Day Labourers of

Navan, for power to build places of Worship; from Magis. them to sleep. He would back ten mi

trates of Galway, for protection of the Kelp Trade; from nutes of the hon. Alderman's eloquence Inhabitants of Syddan Rush, and Castledermott, and two at any time as a specific where the strong

other places, for the restoration of the Parliament of Ire

land; from Roman Catholics of Ballindooley, to extend est opium had failed.

Colonel Evans said, he was the individual alluded to by the hon. member for Preston REPEAL OF THE UNION WITH IREas having endeavoured to prevent his return LAND.] The Earl of Shrewsbury presented at the late election ; and he had only to re- several Petitions, for a Repeal of the gret that he did not arrive at the place till Union between Great Britain and Ireland, it was too late, and thereby have effected From the tenor of these petitions, the a great public benefit by the defeat of the noble Earl said, and from the letters which hon. Member.

accompanied them, he was satisfied that Mr. James said, he had not changed his the sole object of the petitioners was a opinions with regard to the Ballot without redress of grievances. Were they allowed which he feared the proposed Bill would to enjoy their full share in the Representnot be effectual. But he thought the Billation of the country--were a larger pro

certain persons.

the Elective Franchise to them.

portion of the wealth of Ireland expended not exceeding, he believed, 20,0001. had in that country—were the religion of the been collected, whereas, he was informed State not placed in hostility to the religion that not less than 60,0001. would be necesof the people—had the peasant a legal sary to alleviate the distress. There was right to employment and subsistence-he another circumstance, which in this case was quite certain petitions of that de- restrained the bounty of the public, and scription would never again be sent to rendered it inefficient, and that was religious their Lordships. In touching upon the bigotry. Of this there was a striking and present melancholy condition of parts of melancholy example the other day at a Ireland, he was happy to say, he had public meeting in Exeter Hall, in which men, learnt, with infinite satisfaction, by the who professed to assemble for purposes of King's Speech, that his Majesty's Ministers charity, suffered themselves to be carried had determined to send supplies to the away by misguided zeal to utter the most distressed districts, but he had also learnt, bitter and false invectives against those with deep regret, that those supplies were whom they perhaps sincerely desired to to be limited far within what he supposed relieve. In an age of religious fanatiwas necessary. It was, however, a con- cism and acrimonious controversy, which solation to know, that measures were it had been hoped an equality of civil to be devised to prevent a recurrence rights would have terminated, or at least of the evil. That was not the time to cooled, it seemed impossible that charity enter into details; but he hoped their could duly exert her influence over the Lordships would allow him to observe, hearts of men. In reply to a deputhat he thought the principal object should tation from the distressed districts, the be, to introduce into Ireland the better Lord Lieutenant was reported to have portion of the Poor-laws, in order to as- said, that Ministers would willingly prosimilate as much as possible the condition pose a grant of money, but they feared of both countries ; for never could he Parliament would refuse it,--but he could understand either the justice or policy of not believe that their Lordships would that law which abandoned the unfortunate suffer such a state of misery to exist, and distressed of Ireland to utter desti- when the remedy was within their power. tution, without a hope or chance of re- Because the scene was distant, it surely demption, while it imposed an imperative was not the less real, nor less entitled to obligation on the English landholder to attention. In conclusion, he wished to provide for the poor and indigent, from press upon their Lordships' serious atwhich even the absentee proprietor could tention, an admirable and eloquent appeal not escape. It seemed to be forgotten that which Dr. Doyle had made to the public, Ireland was an integral portion of this in the form of a letter to a distinguished empire, subject to the same benevolent Member of the Lower House. Monarch, and governed by the same wise their Lordships' permission, he would read and humane Legislature. Their Lordships extracts from letters he had lately received. were bound to take these unfortunate people A Dr. M'Hale, writing to him and speakunder their immediate and efficient pro-ing of the condition of the poor, said, tection. The Almighty had created them “ It is a study to which, theoretically as with as high a destination and as bene- well as practically, my attention is lately ficent a design as he had created the rest turned. Their condition in this country of mankind, and there could be no doubt surpasses description; and if the Governof the moral obligation of doing justice ment do not interfere, thousands of the to them. But, while political economists people will become the victims of starvhad been discussing the causes of the ca ation. This is not an assertion casually lamity, and the sources from whence re- suggested by a reference to that part of lief was to flow, famine and disease had your Lordship's letter which regards the been suffered to seize upon their prey; poor. It is one, I am sorry to say, adthe charity of the world had been appealed visedly and deliberately made from a conto to supply the place and perform the duty viction of its truth, as your Lordship may of those intrusted with authority, but the see in this day's Freeman's Journal, in a charity of the world was wholly inade letter to Earl Grey, a copy of which I quate to meet the exigencies of the case : directed the editor to transmit to your for, with every effort (and the most Lordship.

Lordship. Whoever is well acquainted laudable efforts had been made), a sum with the condition of this country and its


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