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people, cannot be surprised at the avidity have been reduced without any fault or with which they listen to any project of folly of their own.

What is still more future good which may be set before them. heart-rending to the Clergy, the misery It does not arise from a spirit of gratuitous and starvation is not confined to the lower agitation, but it springs from the deep orders. Those who have seen better days, consciousness of wretchedness which they who are unable to procure subsistence, and think no change can aggravate; a feeling ashamed to beg, make their moans in priwhich, in every age, has furnished the most vate lo those who are ill qualified to repowerful spring to restlessness and agi- lieve thein. Many of our landlords are tation. Whilst, therefore, the people are acting in the most heartless manner, and left so, they will agitate the Repeal of the although they are mainly the cause of the Union, or any other repeal, or any project misery of the people, by the severity with whatever that promises hope of relief, which they exact the rack rents, they now which, if once obtained, they would be as look on without emotion. There are some indifferent to any of those political mea- honourable exceptions; and when on this sures by which they are now stirred up, as subject, I cannot refrain from mentioning they would be to the discovery of the lon- Lord Sligo, who not only powerfully congitude. I trust that the Reform, in all tributed out of his own property, but has its fulness, will be extended to Ireland; been a most efficient and indefatigable cowhatever its extent may be at present, operator in procuring aid, at the distrithe Irish Members will not throw any bution of which he assists in the most obstacles in its way. On the contrary, exemplary manner. The poor of this counthey will suppoit' the King and the try owe that Nobleman a debt of gratitude Ministry, and cheer them through the which cannot be easily forgotten, and has opposition they must encounter. But if given an example which, if generally the Representation of Ireland be not followed by landed proprietors, would not enlarged, and the plan here be not assimi- only contribute to alleviate distress, but lated to that of England, no authority would be a lesson to the poor to look up will prevent my countrymen from de to and respect their superiors." The evimanding loudly and perseveringly a Par-dence and opinions of such men, who were liament of their own." Dr. Kelly, another constantly with their flocks, and well acRoman Catholic Bishop wrote to him thus. quainted with their sufferings and their “I shall not now harrow up the feelings wants, was not to be despised, and he of your Lordship by attempting to de- hoped that their Lordships would deem scribe the truly alarming distress which it worthy of their attention. The noble prevails along the western coast of Galway Earl concluded by presenting petitions and Mayo. I shall only assure you, that praying for the Repeal of the Union from the accounts given in the public prints are the Irish inhabitants of Manchester and by no means exaggerated. So perfectly forty-one other places. are the sentiments of the Members of this The Earl of Limerick did not venture Committee in accordance with those ex- often to trespasson their Lordships'attention pressed in your Lordship’s letter, that but he must express his regret that the noble a highly respectable deputation has been Earl should have read extracts from certain appointed to proceed to Dublin, to wait letters of Drs. Kelly and M'Hale, with a on the Lord Lieutenant, and lay before view to produce certain impressions on hiin such documents as must convince their Lordships' minds, and also that he the most incredulous of the absolute should have quoted the authority of Dr. necessity of the prompt and efficient Doyle, who in advocating the introduction interference of Government, otherwise of Poor-laws into Ireland, had made no unthousands must inevitably perish be- sparing remarks on the Established Church. fore relief can reach them from the He would not enter into details upon the growing crops. These communications question of Poor-laws, or the suggestions have been already made by the Com- thrown out as 10 tithes; he only hoped mittee in writing ; but, strange to say, the state of Ireland would meet the atwithout effect. I hope the deputation tention of their Lordships and the Governmay stir the hearts of those whose duty it ment. surely is, to watch over the wants of the people, and relieve them from an unex- Poor-Laws.] The Marquis of Salisbury ampled state of destitution, to which they I said, that since he understood it to be the

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285 Charge against {JUNE 24} Lord Plunkett.' 286 intention of Ministers to bring forward a first part of the charge. The second part measure relative to the employment of the was, that he, or some persons connected agricultural population, he would not with him, had made offers of advancement move for a revival of the Committee which in the Church to individuals, in considerasat last Session on the subject. He, how- tion of their rendering electioneering serever, would give notice, that on Tuesday vices. He need not say to their Lordnext he would call upon the House to ships that if he had been guilty of suchconsider the propriety of revising the he would not call it misconduct, but such Poor-laws.

-gross abomination as that imputed to Viscount Melbourne said, that he had him, he should be unworthy to occupy a not held out any confident expectation seat in that assembly, or to fill any situathat Government would take up the question of trust under the Government. He tion alluded to by the noble Marquis. should not only be disabled as a public

The Earl of Malmesbury said, that the functionary, but disparaged as a gentleLord Chancellor had specifically declared man, if he had been guilty for a moment that he would next Session bring forward of harbouring a thought of such conduct. a measure on the subject. The noble and He felt it necessary to recur to the charge learned Lord had undertaken a Herculean against him, because it had not been task, and he would say, God speed him lightly or cursorily stated,—it was not a through it.

matter growing out of any provocation on

his part, uttered in the heat of debate, or CHARGE AGAINST LORD PLUNKETT.] advanced as a piece of gossip by an obLord Plunkett said, that he begged again scure individual. It was a charge which to call the attention of their Lordships to a newspaper stated to have been uttered the subject which he mentioned yesterday. by a gentleman, a representative of a It was at all times painful for an indivi- county in Ireland. It was brought fordual to direct the attention of others to ward, not only as a ground of impeachwhat might appear his own particular and ment against him individually, but as an individual concerns, but he was sure, that attack on the Government of the country, their Lordships would feel that he was and as a particular instance of the unfairwanting in what he owed to himself- ness of their conduct with respect to the that he had not a proper sense of what measures which they had in contemplawas due, either to the situation which he tion. The charge against him was gross had the honour to fill, or to the House of and untrue-it was a colourless falsehood. which he was a member—if he could He treated it not only as a libel on himself permit the attack which had been made individually, but as a part of the system upon him to pass without further observa- which had been adopted by persons oppostion than he had yet had an opportunity ing the present measures of his Majesty's of bestowing upon it. He wished to have Government, and which evinced an utter it expressly understood that he was not disregard of truth and decency, and of the coming forward with any complaint against observance of the common courtesies of a member of the other branch of the Legis- | life. In the present infuriated state of lature, or any publisher of a newspaper, but public feeling, those courtesies appeared he only desired to claim for himself the to be utterly overlooked. With respect privilege which belonged to any individual to the charge against him, he had, in the who conceived himself to be unjustly at- first place, simply and clearly to give it tacked, -that of vindicating himself, and his positive and absolute denial. To any stating his denial of the charge. He person who knew him—to any one with found the charge against him in a public whom he had the honour of being acnewspaper, and it was stated to have been quainted—such denial was, he trusted, made in the other House of Parliament. totally unnecessary. He was yesterday The charge was this :-- It was stated, that utterly at a loss to conjecture what could he had offered the situation of Assistant be the grounds on which it had entered Barrister, or rather, that he had given a into the fancy of any individual to bring recommendation to Government to ap- forward such a charge. The accusation point a person to that oflice in considera- was at first made, not doubtingly and tion of electioneering services. That offer with hesitation, but as a matter of positive had, it was said, the effect of procuring charge, resting on the knowledge of the Government thirty votes. That was the individual who advanced it. So much so,

that when the charge was made, the news- be confidential, he would avail himself. papers stated that it drew forth warm ex- The person who made the charge against pressions of approbation of his imputed him said, that he had been told of the guilt from persons who, he thought, ought facts at the Kildare-street Club-house. rather to have expressed some doubts on Some one at this club-house told the hon. the subject. He was at the time ably vindi- Baronet, that a person, whose name he cated by a right hon. Gentleman, in whose supposed he was at liberty to mentionhands he would be content to leave his [The Marquis of Londonderry said no, he defence, were it not that no third person considered that communication had been was so competent to speak to facts as made in confidence.] As the noble Marhimself. With respect to his interference quis considered the communication private, in elections, he declared publicly in the his lips were sealed. Since he had the face of their Lordships, and he defied any honour of a seat on the Bench, he had one to rise up and express a doubt of the never had any communication with any truth of the fact which he now stated, individual on the subject of the appointthat never since he had the honour of ment of an Assistant Barrister. No such being appointed to a judicial situation had situation had been vacant since he had he in the slightest degree interfered with had a seat on the Bench, and if there had any election. His opinions were well-been, he was not the person to whom an known with respect to the measure which application would have been made on the Government had brought forward. He subject in the first instance. But he was anxious for the success of the friends never had had any communication on of Government, and not unfrequently had such a subject, and never had given any been consulted with respect to particular promise of recommendation. After the elections; but he had uniformly, in every interdiction of the noble Marquis, he would instance, declined to interfere. In more not mention the name of the individual instances than one, individuals applied to who had been referred to, but he might him to know what he would wish them to say that he had not the honour of knowdo. His answer was, “ My opinions are ing him except by seeing him in the no secret, but you must form your own Court of Chancery. He did not think opinions." When these persons offered that individual was a person likely to to vote in a particular manner, his answer trouble himself to obtain any recommenwas, that he would not accept their offer, dation of the nature alluded to. So far that they must vote according to their with respect to himself: now with respect judgment, and that it was utterly unbe to the members of his family. It would coming his situation to give any recom

be rather a hard thing that persons conmendation on the subject. With respect nected with him should not be allowed to to his having offered to recommend a per- exert themselves on the part of Governson to a judicial situation, it was utterly ment. He had sons grown to the age of and absolutely false. He had never done manhood. They were all anxions to proanything approaching the shadow of that mote the success of Government in the on which such a charge could be founded. late elections, and they exerted themWhen the individual who made the charge selves to the utmost. He believed that was called upon to give up his authority, they were exceedingly popular. They he replied, “Oh, I don't know anything had lived in Dublin many years, doing of it myself, but I was told so." He


acts of kindness to individuals within pealed to the candour of any noble Lord, their sphere. This naturally gave them and would ask, whether an individual had influence, and he believed that they matea right to charge another with an abomin- rially contributed to the success of the able crime, and, when he was asked for candidates who supported the Governthe grounds of his accusation, to say, “Iment, and he should have been much have been told it.” If such conduct ashamed of them if they had not done so. should be pursued, no man's character He would, however, say of his sons, that would be safe. It was trifling with the they were as incapable as any of their Lordfirst feelings of propriety-with the com- ships of doing anything mean or dishonourmon decencies of society. A noble Mar- able, and they would have acted meanly quis (Londonderry) had, since yesterday and dishonourably if they had held forth evening, made a communication to him, to any individual a promise of promotion of which, as he did not understand it to for the purpose of swaying his conduct. He knew that they would have felt an House of Commons; but he would state invincible repugnance to do anything that any person who had anywhere made which they thought would be unpleasing such a statement as that which was conto him; and they were well aware that tained in the newspapers, had stated that nothing could be more contrary to his which was absolutely destitute of the sentiments than to promise that his in- slightest approach to the colour of truth. Auence should be used in the way which He had some right to complain. The had been represented. What was the conduct natural to an ingenuous and duty of the hon. Baronet who had brought plain-dealing man, when he heard a stateforward the charge? Did the hon. Baro- ment to the prejudice of another person of net at this moment believe, that the gossip hitherto unspotted character, was, to feel which he had heard in a private society a disinclination to believe it,-at all events was a foundation for asserting that he had he would not make himself the vehicle for been guilty? If the hon. Baronet believed circulating the slander, unless he had ascerso, and thought he had the means of es- tained that there was some ground for it. tablishing his guilt, then it was the hon. If he found that there was serious ground Baronet's duty to impeach him. Let hin for the accusation, he ought to bring it come forward and discharge his duty like forward. If not, he ought to come fora man. If he did not believe that he had ward and declare that he had been in any grounds for prosecuting the charge, error. He was led to believe, from what if he had a particle of candour in his fell from the noble Marquis last night, nature

that he might have received some comLord Ellenborough rose to order. The munication, but he had hitherto obtained noble and learned Lord was deviating no explanation on the subject. He did from the course which he originally pur- not complain of the hon. Baronet on this sued, and was now speaking of what had account. The hon. Baronet had a right fallen from a Member of the House of to act as he pleased; but, on the other Commons, instead of what had appeared hand, he (Lord Plunkett) was not bound in a newspaper.

to follow the slander through all its deThe Duke of Buckingham begged par- tails, and to discover who had been the don of his noble and learned friend for original author of it. All that he was delaying him for a moment from proceed- bound to do was, as he had done, to deing with his address. He appealed to clare on bis honour as a gentleman and a the House whether there was a single in- peer, that in every particular, from begindividual who could think that there was ning to end, the accusation was nothing the slightest ground for the imputation but falsehood, slander, and calumny, of the wbich had been thrown upon his noble most odious description. Having said and learned friend? There was not an thus much, he would let the matter rest individual in that House or the country, where it was. who thought him capable of the act which The Marquis of Londonderry said, that had been attributed to him. His noble nothing but a desire to defend his friend, and learned friend had denied the accusa- the hon. Baronet, and to explain the tion, and surely it was better to stop course of his conduct, could have induced there.

him to trouble their Lordships on this ocLord Plunkett said, that he had found casion, as he feared he must do at some it necessary to address their Lordships in length. He could not help thinking that his own vindication. To those who knew the noble and learned Lord had exhibited him, any vindication was unnecessary; an extraordinary degree of susceptibility but there was something in the nature of on the subject. If the noble and learned calumny so subtle, that individuals of the Lord had carefully read the public journals, best-constituted minds could not always he would have found that an explanation resist its influence. It would be said, that was called for from the hon. Baronet; a charge had been made by an hon. Gen- upon which he stated, most distinctly, tleman, and there must at least be some that he brought no charge against the kind of foundation for it. It was under Lord Chancellor of Ireland ; and that this impression that he had taken that those who supposed that he did, had public opportunity of vindicating himself. wholly misunderstood him. All the jourHe had no motion to make, no charge to nals bore him out in asserting that that. bring forward, against any Member of the explanation was given. His hon, friend


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stated, that he had heard the charge made, noble Lord and the person from whom but he would not give up the name of the the accusation proceeded, stood in difindividual, lest the vengeance of the ferent situations. The noble Lord knew Government which the country was at that what was stated was untrue of his present blessed with should fall on his own knowledge. It was impossible that head. The noble and learned Lord, not the person from whom the accusation prowithstanding his hon. friend said that he ceeded, could know any thing from his own made no accusation against him, came knowledge : he only spoke from the indown to the House, and said, that the formation of others. He must, however, statement was scandalous, false, libellous, admit, that he did not think it consistent and so forth. He would admit, that the with the duty of any man to state facts noble and learned Lord might, in his con- which affected the character of others science, know that there was no ground without the most strict inquiry beforehand. for the charge; but the question was, / And he thought further, that after the whether his hon. friend believed that he declaration of the noble Lord, it was the had grounds for what he stated. He had bounden duty of the person from whom a high opinion of the honour of his friend, those charges proceeded, to investigate the and without disparagement to the noble matter, and after investigation, distinctly and learned Lord, he would say, that he to state whether he did or did not adhere thought as highly of his hon. friend as he to the charges. If he should find that did of the Lord Chancellor of Ireland or there were grounds for the charges, he any Lord Chancellor.

was bound as a gentleman and a Member The Earl of Eldon, as a ci-devant Lord of Parliament, to bring them forward. Chancellor, begged to observe, that the Nothing less would satisfy publio justice. discussion then going on was as disorderly He had to express his regret that the as anything he ever remembered. The noble Lord should have characterized the noble and learned Lord had done justice report which proceeded from a Member of to his character, which indeed required the House of Commons as part of a system no justification. The charges brought, of misrepresentation directed against the were of very trifling importance compared Government by those in opposition to it. with those he (Lord Eldon) had formerly He must say, not only for himself-for had to bear.

what concerned him was of little importThe Marquis of Londonderry said, he ance-but for all those opposed to the would not press the defence of his friend Government, and he thought justly opposfurther. His friend had brought no charge ed to it, in that House, that they had reagainst the noble and learned Lord, but sorted to no misrepresentation whatever merely stated what had been told him, for the purpose of effecting any party which he had a right to do. He was object. Although he was very unwilling sure his friend had grounds to place con- to adopt any strong expression, he would fidence in what was told him. The noble state confidently, that whoever asserted and learned Lord must be aware, that that those opposed to Government resortthough an individual might know a thing, ed to a system of misrepresentation in the it would be very difficult to bring forward words of the noble and learned Lord, aspersons to prove it. He was sure, that his serted a colourless falsehood. friend would not have stated anything The Marquis of Londonderry said, that which had not been told him by other the noble Baron was not warranted in prepersons, and in his explanation he denied scribing the course of conduct which bis that he intended to make any charge friend ought to pursue. His friend was as against the noble and learned Lord. good a judge of what he ought to do as

Lord Ellenborough said, that nothing the noble Baron, and perhaps a better. was more natural than that the noble and Here the conversation ended. learned Lord should take the opportunity of stating most positively his denial of the Titules.] The Archbishop of Cantoraccusation which had been brought against bury introduced three Bills; one to provide him, and he was sure that no one who facilities for the Composition of Tithes, bad witnessed the public conduct of the another to prevent the holding of Pluralinoble Lord, could have the slightest doubt ties, unless under certain restrictions, and that what he had stated was the truth. the third to extend an Act for perpetuating It must be recollected, however, that the augmentations to small vicarages and cu

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