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or impair the privileges which they pos- continue unceasingly, and that as long as I sess.

have the honour to sit in this Chair, I will The Speaker and the Commons then do my utmost to performn those duties retired, and the House proceeded with with assiduity and impartiality. I have the swearing-in of Peers.

earnestly to request the constant support of this House in maintaining its privileges,

as essential not only to its own existence, HOUSE OF COMMONS.

but to the best interests of the country.

I have also to request the constant supWednesday, June 15, 1831.

port of the House in maintaining its rules ROYAL AssenT TO THE CHOICE OF and orders, valuable for the better deSPEAKER.] The House on meeting was spatch of public business, but most valusummoned to the House of Lords, and able with reference to freedom of Debate, the Speaker, accompanied by many Mem- which can be secured only by a strict atbers proceeded thither. On his return, tention to our rules and orders. The only

The Speaker said: “I am to acquaint the business with which we can now proceed House, ihat this House has been in the is, to take the usual oaths. House of Peers, where I communicated The Speaker then took the oaths singly; to the Lords Commissioners acting in the the other Members present also took them, name of his Majesty, that this House, in and the process of swearing-in the Memobedience to his Majesty's commands, and bers continued. in the exercise of its ancient and undoubted privileges, had proceeded to the election of a Speaker, and that their

LORDS AND COMMONS. choice had fallen upon myself; when the From Thursday, June 16th, to Monday, Lords Commissioners acting iv the name June 20th, inclusive, the two Houses met of his Majesty expressed his Majesty's approbation of the appointment. It then Saturday and Sunday, for the purpose of became my duty to claim all the ancient swearing-in the Members, but no other and undoubted privileges of this House, business was done. more especially freedom from arrest and molestation for the Members in their own persons and in those of their servants,

HOUSE OF LORDS, freedom of Debate, freedom of access to his Majesty whenever they might find it

Tuesday, June 21, 1831. requisite, and also that the most favour- Minutes.] The usual Sessional Orders were moved by Earl able construction might be put by his

GREY, and agreed to. Majesty upon all their words and actions; to which the Lords Commissioners authorised by his Majesty expressed their

Tue King's SPEECH ON OPENING THE assurance that his Majesty would with

Session.] His Majesty went in state to the greatest readiness, and most freely, the House of Lords this day, and the confirm all the ancient rights and privi- bar of the House of Peers, His Majesty

Commons having been summoned to the leges of the Members of this House, as they have existed time out of mind; and being seated on the Throne delivered the to as great an extent as they had ever following Speech. been allowed by any of his Majesty's pre- "My Lords and Gentlemen, decessors. And now, I have again to “I have availed myself of the earliest express my deepest obligation to the House for the honour which it has conferred opportunity of resorting to your advice and House for the honour which it has conferred assistance after the dissolution of the upon me. It is impossible for me not to feel that the repetition of this honour has late Parliament. made it on every occasion of greater Having had recourse to that measure value. It has proved to me, in the way for the purpose of ascertaining the sense of most satisfactory and conclusive, that my my people on the expediency of a Reform endeavours to discharge the duties of my in the Representation, I have now to restation have been from time to time favourably appreciated by the House. I commend that important question to your assure them that those endeavours shall | earliest and most attentive consideration,

The Earl of SHAFT ESBURY was chosen Chairman of the

Committees for the seventeenth time.

confident that in any measures which you “ Gentlemen of the House of Commons, may prepare for its adjustment, you will “ I have ordered Estimates of the excarefully adhere to the acknowledged prin- penses of the current year to be laid beciples of the Constitution, by which the fore you, and I rely with confidence on prerogatives of the Crown, the authority of your loyalty and zeal to make adequate both Houses of Parliament, and the rights provision, for the public service, as well as and liberties of the people are equally se- for the farther application of the sums cured.

granted by the last parliament; always “ The assurances of a friendly disposi- keeping in view the necessity of a wise tion which I continue to receive from all and wholesome economy


every branch foreign Powers, encourage the hope that of the public expenditure. notwithstanding the civil commotions My Lords and Gentlemen, which have disturbed some parts of Europe, “ It gives me great satisfaction to state and the contest now existing in Poland, to you, that the large reduction of taxes the general peace will be maintained. which took place in the last and in the

"To the preservation of this blessing present year, with a view to the relief of my most anxious care will be constantly the labouring classes of the community, directed.

has not been attended with a proportion“ The discussions which have taken ate diminution of the public income. I place on the affairs of Belgium have not trust that such additional means as may yet been brought to a conclusion; but the be required to supply a part of the defimost complete agreement continues to ciency occasioned by these reductions subsist between the Powers whose plenipo- may be found, without any material tentiaries have been engaged in the con- abridgement of the comforts of my people. ferences of London. The principle on “ To assist the industry, to improve the which those conferences have been con- resources, and to maintain the credit of ducted has been that of not interfering the country on sound principles, and on a with the right of the people of Belgium to safe and lasting foundation, will be at all regulate their internal affairs, and to esta- times the object of my solicitude, in the blish their government according to their promotion of which I look with confidence own views of what may be most conducive to your zealous co-operation. to their future welfare and independence, “ It is with deep concern that I have to under the sole condition, sanctioned by announce to you the continued progress of the practice of nations, and founded on a formidable disease, to which

my attenthe principles of public law, that in the tion had been early directed, in the eastexercise of that undoubted right the secu- ern parts of Europe. Information having rity of neighbouring States should not be been more recently received that it had endangered.

extended its ravages to Ports in the Baltic, “A series of injuries and insults, for from whence there is a great commercial which, potwithstanding repeated remon- intercourse with my dominions, I have distrances, all reparation was withheld, com- rected that all the precautions should be pelled me at last to order a squadron of taken which experience has recommended my fleet to appear before Lisbon, with a as most effectual for guarding against the peremptory demand of satisfaction. A introduction of so dangerous a malady prompt compliance with that demand pre- into this country. vented the necessity of further measures ; “Great distress has unhappily prevailed but I have to regret that I have not yet in some districts, and more particularly in a been enabled to re-establish my diplomatic part of the western counties of Ireland, to relations with the Portuguese Government. relieve which, in the most pressing cases, I have not hesitated to authorize the ap- jesty's Speech, which was afterwards again plication of such means as were immediate- read by the Clerk.

The Duke of Norfolk said—“My Lords, ly available for that purpose. But assist

in rising to move that an humble Address ance of this nature is necessarily limited be presented to his Majesty, expressive of in its amount, and can only be temporary the hearty concurrence of this House in in its effect. The possibility, therefore, of the sentiments and views expressed in his introducing any measures which, by as- Majesty's most gracious Speech, this day sisting the improvement of the natural re- in need of your Lordships' kind indulgence

delivered from the Throne, I feel that I stand sources of the country, may tend to pre-which I trust will be extended to me. I vent the recurrence of such evils, must be claim it, my Lords, on stronger grounds a subject of the most anxious interest to than are usually alleged on such occasions; me, and to you of the most grave


because till, by an act of justice of the

Legislature, I was restored io the full encautious consideration.

joyment of the blessings of civil and reli“ Local disturbances, unconnected with gious liberty—the pride of Englishmenany political causes, have taken place I had been little accustomed to address any both in this part of the United Kingdom public Meetings, much less such an Assemand in Ireland. In the county of Clare, bly as that in the presence of which I now

stand. Attached, as I have been from and in the adjoining parts of Roscommon the earliest period of my life, to the instiand Galway, a system of violence and out- tutions of my country, I have now, thererage had for some time been carried n to fore, the additional ties of gratitude to an alarming extent, for the repression of support and defend those institutions.

take this occasion, my Lords, to give my which the constitutional authority of cordial support to his Majesty's Ministers, the law has been vigorously and success- by whom I am convinced those institutions fully exerted. By these means, the neces- will be faithfully supported and restored to sity of enacting new laws, to strengthen their original purity. The first topic to the Executive Government with further of the late Parliament-a measure render

which the Speech relates is the dissolution powers will, I trust, be prevented.

ed necessary by the constitutional desire “To avert such a necessity has been, of his Majesty's Ministers to obtain a and ever will be, my most earnest desire; thorough knowledge of the state of public but if it should unfortunately arise, I do opinion upon the great question of Parlianot doubt your firm resolution to maintain strongly-I may say irresistibly--expressed

mentary Reform. That opinion has been the peace and order of society, by the in favour of that measure. I will refrain, at adoption of such measures as may be re- present, from entering on any lengthened quired for their more effectual protection.” argument on this subject, but I must be His Majesty retired, the House separated, that infinitely more danger is to be appre

permitted to express my firm conviction, and met again at five o'clock.

hended to the stability of our institutions

by a pertinacious adherence to the abuses ADDRESS IN ANSWER TO THE King's which time has introduced, than by a saSPEECH.] The Lord Chancellor was lutary and efficient reformation. To say about to read a copy of the King's Speech, that the people of England seek for revowhen

lution, is a most unjustifiable libel upon Lord Ellenborough observed, that it had them. They seek for a restitution of been usual to move the first reading of their rights, and a restoration of the Consome bill previously to reading his Majes-stitution. The next topic in his Majesty's ty's Speech.

Speech to which I shall briefly allude is, the Earl Grey acknowledged that such was satisfactory assurance of his Majesty's the practice of the House. The noble Ministers of a determination to preserve Earl then moved the first reading of the peace, so long as peace can be preserved Select Vestries Bill. The Bill read a first consistently with the honour of the countime.

try and the dignity of the Crown; to The Lord Chancellor then read his Ma-l avoid interfering with the concerns of other States, but to resist, with becoming The Duke of Buckingham moved that spirit, any indignity offered to British sub- the Address might be read. [Cries of jects. To advert more immediately to our read," and " Order."] domestic concerns, it is satisfactory to The Lord Chancellor said, that he had learn that our finances, notwithstanding a no objection to read the Address, but great reduction of taxation, are in an im- being ignorant of their Lordships' mode of proving state, and that a rigid system of proceeding, he was at a loss to know how economy will continue to be enforced into act, while one noble Lord cried out every department. His Majesty's kind read," and another “no, no;" and a third promise, that it shall be the object of his Order." solicitude to assist the industıy, to improve Lord Ellenborough rose to order. The the resources, and to maintain the credit motion that the noble and learned Lord of the country, will, I am confident, be on the Woolsack was reading was not a felt and appreciated as it ought to be by a motion that an humble Address be prepeople already attached to him by his nu- sented to his Majesty, it was the address merous acts of paternal care and benefi- itself. The motion made by the noble cence. Another subject of great import- Duke opposite was, that an Address be ance remains for me to advert to-I mean presented to his Majesty. It was usual the state of Ireland—to which subject I for all Addresses in answer to the Speech am sure the most serious aitention of the from the Throne to be referred to a ComLegislature will be turned. It is impossi- mittee, and reported to the House; but ble that a remedy can at once be found for the form and terms of the Address now all the evils under which Ireland labours- moved being exactly similar to those evils so deeply rooted, as to be almost which were presented to his Majesty after identified with the state of society there; coming from the hands of the Committee, much, however, may be done by the full would, if adopted by the House, of course determination of Ministers and of Parlia- remove the necessity of a reference to a ment to probe those evils to the core, and Committee. to administer in every instance all the re- Earl Grey said, that an Address had lief that legislative interference can bestow. been moved and proposed for their LordTo secure the affections of the Irish people ships' adoption. That Address would, of by the mild administration of equal law, is course, be referred to a Committee, and the first object to be attained ; and to its he saw nothing in its form to prevent the attainment, the steady endeavours of the Committee considering it, and reporting it noble Marquis at the head of his Majesty's for the adoption of the House, if they so Government in Ireland seem to be directed thought fit. If, however, it were thought with consummate ability. I consider it necessary, it would be very easy to alter no small merit due to the noble Marquis, the words of the Address to the usual as well as to those who conduct the Admi- form. nistration, that the constitutional authority Lord Ellenborough said, that the usual of the laws has been vigorously and suc- form in which an Address was moved was, cessfully exerted without the necessity of that “a humble Address be presented to further powers being demanded." The his Majesty, assuring his Majesty, &c.” noble Duke concluded by moving an Ad- The Address was then referred to a Comdress which was as usual an echo of the mittee, and by them converted into the Speech.

ordinary language in which an Address The Lord Chancellor began to read it, was presented to his Majesty. The noble and it commenced as follows :-“We, Lord concluded by repeating, that the your Majesty's loyal and dutiful subjects, terms of the proposed Address would prethe Lords Spiritual and Temporal, humbly vent their Lordships from referring it to a assure your Majesty—." The noble and committee. learned Lord had no sooner pronounced The Earl of Shaftesbury concurred in these few words, when he was interrupted opinion with the noble Lord (Ellenby calls to “ Order,” which were followed borough) as to the usual form of an Adby cries of “proceed !” His Lordship dress in answer to the Speech from the discontinued reading, apparently in doubt Throne, and supposed the noble Duke opas to the cause of the interruption which posite had, through mistake, moved the he had experienced.

Address in a different manner. The Earl of Mulgrave rose to second Earl Grey repeated, that it would be the Address.

very easy to alter the term of the Address. The Earl of Eldon considered the form | Lord. The whole question was one of of the proposed Address a departure from mere form. The noble Duke had, it apthe usual rule.

peared, proposed an Address, framed in The Lord Chancellor wished to know the way in which Addresses usually come whether he was to read the Address in the from the hands of the Committee, but in first person or in the third person? doing so the noble Duke had no intention of

Lord Ellenborough objected to the limiting the right of the House to discuss reading of the Address, as originally com- the Address or to make such alterations or menced by the noble and learned Lord on amendments as might be thought proper. the Woolsack, because it was not according He was sure that the noble Lord could to the rules of the House.

not state that any inconvenience of that The Lord Chancellor would not enter nature would result from the Address being into the discussion of a matter of which discussed under its present shape. He he was entirely ignorant. But if it was was likewise at a loss to comprehend how necessary for him to obtain instructions a reference to a Committee would be from their Lordships how he was to act, it precluded by the manner in which the was his duty to obey their Lordships, and Address was drawn up. There might he was only desirous to know what was be defects in the form, and inaccuratheir pleasure. There appeared to be, cies in the expression, of an Address however, no very great concurrence among adopted by the House, which it would be their Lordships as to the course which afterwards the duty of the Committee to ought to be pursued. One noble Lord correct and report to the House. With told him to read the Address in the first respect to the error which had been pointperson; another said it must be read in ed out in the proposed Address, he took the third person ; and he no sooner began upon himself the whole weight of it; for to read it than he was directly stopped ; it had originated in him through inadverso that there was no possibility of his tence. He did not see any great difference learning what he was to do. He would in drawing up the address in one way or venture to suggest, that, without being other; and taking the form of the proposed called upon to change the language of the Address to be the form usually adopted by Address, he might be allowed to read it as their Lordships, he had recommended his proposed, and then put the question upon noble friend to follow it, as being, in his it. He understood that when adopted, it opinion, consonant with the rules of the would be sent to a Committee to be con- House. If the noble Lord could show sidered and drawn up, and therefore he that any possible inconvenience would reconceived, with great submission to others sult from adopting the proposed Address, of their Lordships better conversant with he (Earl Grey) would have no objection the forms and privileges of the House, that to withdraw it, and present it in another no harm could arise from his reading the form. But in the state in which the matAddress which had been moved, and put ter now was, he put it to the candour of the question for its adoption to their the noble Lord, and more emphatically to Lordships. It would be then competent the candour of the House, whether it for any noble Lord who chose, to move would be worth while to delay an importany sort of Address in the more usual form, ant discussion for a mere matter of form, as an amendment.

which no person in the House could say Lord Rolle did not understand how an was of any importance whatever. Under amendment could be moved to an Address these circumstances, he hoped that their which their Lordships had not, as yet, Lordships would suffer the Address to be heard.

read in the way in which it had been proLord Ellenborough again stated, that if posed, so that every Member of the House the Address was put in its present shape, might be enabled to form a judgment upon the appointment of a Committee would be it. He trusted, then, that his noble and needless.

learned friend would be allowed to proEarl Grey did not understand the ob- ceed to read the Address without expejection raised by the noble Lord, nor did | riencing any further interruption, which he think that a more unprofitable discus-could not have any other purpose than that sion than the present could have been of creating delay, and which would not entered upon. He saw no difficulty in conduce to the dignity of the House, or to adopting the form suggested by the noble | the maintenance of its privileges.

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