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*** * Secondly, that the Arrear of Interest due on * is made of Poundage taken by the Paymaster of the “ Tallies and Orders at the Time of such Assign "Navy, for Slop Cloaths, Tobacco, Ministers Groats,
ments ought to be allowed and paid, by the “ Surgeon's Two-pences, and Chest of Chatham, which, " Treasurer of the Navy, to the Persons entitled
“ the faia Commissioners conceive, the late Treasurer of * to receive the Tallies and Orders, excepting" the Navy ought to be charged therewith : The Com“ where the said Navy Board's Assignments on Bills “ mittee proceeded to 'enquire into that Matter; and, " directed otherwife.
“ in order thereto, summoned several Perfons, who
were examined upón Oath, as appears under Letrer Thirdly, That it is now the Custom in Practice in “G; (videlicet) Sir Richard Haddock Knight, Comp“ the Navy, to allow and pay the Arrear of In 6 troller of the Navy, Dennis Lyddell Esquire, Conip* terest due on the Tallies and Orders, directed “ troller of the Treasurer's Accompts of the Navy, “and assigned to be paid away by the faid Navy “ Robert Maddocks Senior, Esquire, formerly and now « Board as before.
Paymaster of the Navy, and Willian Beckford Et
quire, Slop-seller, Mr. Edward Lawford, Mr. Jchin * Fourthly, That the Dealers with the Navy, &c. Grandy, Mr. Christopher Godfalve, Mr. Nathaniel
* did receive, from the late Treasurer of the Navy Dogget, and several others, formerly or now serving “ or his Instruments, the Tallies and Orders, with=" " in the Navy; and it appeared to their Lord'hips;
out allowing or making any Discount or Abate “ that, from the Restoration to the 27th of March " ment for the Arrear of Interest due from the « 1699, it hath been the Practice, both before and " Dates of the Tallies and Orders to the Time " after the Settlement of Salary to the Treasurers of « they received them; excepting where the said “the Navy, to pay Poundage to the Paymasters of the "Navy Board's Asligninents on the Bills directed Navy, for the Defalcations of Slop Cloaths, Tobacco, Os otherwife.
" Ministers Groats, Surgeons Two-pences, and Cliest
" at Chatham, Fifthly, That the said Deaters with the Navy, &c. “ received the Orders of the Tallies with the Trea“ furer or his Instrument's Name to a Blank on
“ And Mr. George Dodington, late Paymaster of the * the Back of them, until the late Act of Parliament
Navy, produced to their Lordships several Accompts, “ for registering Tallies and Orders.
“ stated with, and signed by, the Governors of the Chest
at Chatham, whereby it appeared they had made him
an Allowance of Poundage for the Monies by him “ And therefore their Lordships are of Opinion collected for the said Cheit: He likewise produced « That, since the Interest on the Tallie's and Orders did
“ Letter, under the Hands of the Governors of the faid “ belong (except when the said Navy Board gave Direc
Chest, wherein they acquaint him, “ They cannot indo tions to the contrary) to fuch Perfons as had a Right “crease the accustomary Allowance of Poundage made " to receive them from the late Treasurer of the Navy,“ to his Predecessors;” Copies of all which are also con" and that the said Interest was received by thein- tained under the aforesaid Letter G. « or their Assigns; it cannot be reasonable to make “ the late Treasurer of the Navy, or his Instruments, “ liable to accompt for the Interest on any Tallies and
“ It appeared to their Lordships, that, from the Time
" of the Restoration to November 1668, the Govern“ Orders paid away pursuant to the Directions and * Assignments of the said Navy Board, though they
“ment allowed the Treafurers of the Navy 3d. per “ were issued and paid away with the said Treasurer or
“ Pound, for all Monies issued and paid by them for " his Instrument's Name to a Blank on the Back of the
“ the Service of the Navy: Which Poundage being u Orders of Tallies.
“ found, upon the Increafe of the Charge of the Navy, “ to amount to a very great Sum, was the Reason why
“ the Government took this Poundage away; and, to " Their Lordships are further of Opinion, That, in
prevent the Treasurers of the Navy from getting again Justice, fome Method ought to be found out, for the
“ the faid Allowance of Poundage, these Words were “ Auditor's passing the said Treasurer's ultimate Ac
“ inserted in the Instructions; to wit, “ The Treasurers compt; especially since the Difficulties in stating the
“ of the Navy shall for the future be paid by Salary, and “ Interest Accompts (as are observed by the said Com
“not by Poundage;" but had no Regard to the Poundage missioners) makes it evident, he cannot otherwise pass
“ taken by the Paymasters for Slop Cloaths, &c. And that Accompt in many Years.
“ it appeared to their Lordships, that, from the Time
“ of the Restoration to the 27th of March 1699, the “ And here their Lordships must obferve, That the “ Paymnasters always took Poundage for Slop Cloaths, " said Commissioners, in their Replies to the late Trea
“ Esco; but the Treasurers of the Navy took no Poundage “surer of the Navy's Answers, touching Interest on
“ for the faid Defalcations. “ Tallies and Orders, do say, “ They believe Instances may be produced, where Dealers with the Navy, or
“ It appeared further to their Lordships, that the " their Aflignees, have taken, on the Receipt of Tallies
“ Paymasters had no more Salary, for themselves and “and Orders, the Interest due thereon, in Part of their Payınent:" To which the Earl of Orford aniwers, “ 1699, when tħe late King in Council did, upon Con
"Clerks, than £.350. per Aunum, till the 25th May * " He knows of no One Initance, nor believes any
« fideration of His taking off the Paymaster's Poundage can be given, of its being done, without the Navy
“ for Defalcations, allow the now Paymaster for himself “ Board's Direction.” And as the faid Commiflioners
"£.500 per Annum, besides £.360 per Annum for Sa" have not set forth any particular Instance; the Com
lary to Six Clerks. “ mittec cannot but observe, that such a Method is very “ hard, where general Reflections are made, and not “ One particular Proof asigned.
“ By all which it appears to their Lordships, that it “ has been a well-known and uninterrupted Practice, for
“ the Paymasters of the Navy to take Poundage for “ Tlieir Lordships took then into consideration the “ Slop Čloaths, &c. ever fince the Restoration, till the ** State of the Accompts of the Earl of Orford, late Trea- • 27th March 1699; and without that Poundage, the
surer of the Navy, inade by the said Commissioners, as " in their Paper Ńé 4; and finding therein, Mention « could not be a fufficient Recompence to the Paymasters,
“ Salary of £: 350. per Annum formerly allowed thein,
“ and enable them to pay Salaries to the Clerks ein
“ Examinations taken by the Right Honour-Ersaminations ployed under them.
“ able the Lords Committees appointed to concerning “ Wherefore their Lordships are humbly of Opi
examine into the Observations, Answers, them.
and Replies, given in to the most Hon“ nion, That it is not reasonable, that the late Trea
“ourable House of Lords, concerning the “ surer of the Navy, or his Paymatter, should accompt
“ Public Accompts of the Kingdom. “ for the said Poundage. But their Lordships are of “ Opinion, the late Paymaster is justly entitled to the “ customary Poundage, for all Slop Cloaths, &c. by
Die Vencris, 25th February, 1703 " himn abated and collected during his being Paymaster “ under the late Treasurer of the Navy, having had
66 A. " no additional Salary for himself or Clerks in Lieu « thereof.
6 “ Examinations of the Coinmillioners of the
“ Navy, touching the Treasurer of the And here their Lordships beg Leave to acquaint
Navy's Certificates. “ the House, That, upon the Examinations of several “ Persons upon Oach, touching the Practice of Poundage “i Sir Richard Haddock Knight, Comptroller of the “ being paid to the Paymasters; their Lordships find,
Navy, and Dennis Lyddell Esquire, Comptroller " that Wm. Beckford Esquire, Mr. Lawford; Mr. Chap
6 of the Treasurer's Accompts of the Navy, “ lin, and Mr. Godsalve, had been forinerly examined
“ sworn at the Bar. upon Oath, as to that Point, by the said Commission“ ers; but they do not take Notice thereof in their “ Mr. Lyddell being asked, “ Whether they used to “ Observations, but for what Reason does not appear. “ check and comptrol the Treasurer's Ledgers by the
Weekly Certificates ?” “ Their Lordlips further proceeded to consider the " He said, “ We do not make Use of them for thai " Items in the State of the Treasurer of the Navy's
Accompts made by the said Commillioners, and in “ particular that of £. 222,941. 145. 9 d. set forth in
“ Being afled, " Whether the Weekly Certificates “ the Discharge of the said State in a gross Sum; but “ were made up by the late Treasurer of the Navy, in " in the Earl of Orford's Answer, the same is divided “ such Form as you could know what was in his " and explained in particular Articles : To which their « Hands ?” “ Lordships examined Mr. John Coupland; who affirmed;
“ He said, “ The Treasurer's Weekly Certificates « « The faid Particulars of the said gross Sum
were amply " always shewed a - Balance of what remained in his • specified in the said Earl of Orford's Accompts, ex:
“ Hands on the Cashier's Side, at that Time.” “ hibited to the said Commissioners, as the same are ~ set forth in the Answer of the said Earl of Orford;" " and their Lordships find them to be of that Nature,
" Die Sabbati, 11 March, 1703. " that they do not see any Reason why they should noť “ be allowed the said Earl of Orford on his ultimate
“ Sir Richard Haddock being asked, “ Whether the * Leidger.
“ Certificates of the late Treasurer of the Navy always
“ set forth a general Balance; and whether, by thore “ And their Lordships also further proceeded to exa
“ Certificates, with the Books of their Office, they could “ mine the Balance of the said State made by the said
“ know the several Species in which that Balance re“ Commillioners, and the Earl of Orford's Answers, with
66 mained ?" “their Replies thereto; upon which it appeared to
“ He said, “ He could not so properly answer as “their Lordships, that, taking the Balance as the said “ Commissioners have made it, (videlicet,) [.8903: 3 s.
“Mr. Lyddel, who keeps a Check of the Accompts.” 24 d. or, as the faid Earl sets it forth, (videlicet,)
• Mr. Lyddell being asked the fame Question : £:5058. Ŝ s. o: d.; that after all the Reflections which “have been made upon the said Earl, he is like to be
“ Said, “ Yes, with the Books in our Office.” • the First Treasurer of the Navy, since the Year 1673, " that has regularly passed his Accompts; and the Ba “ Sir Rich'd Haddock being asked, “ Whether he lance to be accompted for does amount to no more
“ knew the Public had suffered by the Form in which o than the Sum of £.5058. 35. 1 d.; and it does not “ those Certificates were sent; and whether the Public appear to their Lordships, that the said Earl can be
" was more liable to be injured by that Form, than by juftly charged with neglecting or abusing the Trust " what is now practised?" “ reposed in him as Treasurer of the Navy.
“He faid, “ He believes noi.” “ Their Lordships beg Leave to acquaint the House,
“Mr. Lyddell being asked the fame Question : “ That, after they had gone through the Examination o of the Observations on the Earl of Orford's Accompts, “ He said, “ That he doth not know it hath suffered " and his Lordlhip’s Answer thereunto; the said Earl
“ by that Form.” “ acquainted their Lordships, “ That, when he attended " the said Commissioners, he desired them, if they were « Sir Richard Haddock being asked, “ Whether he
satisfied with his Accompts, or any Thing therein “ did believe the Certificates required by the Treasurer's “ was dubious, they would give him Notice thereof;
“ Instructions were intended to check and comptrol the " and his Lordship would attend them, in order to clear - Treasurer's Ledgers ?” : “ the same as far as lay in his Power:" To which they
“ He said, “ It comptrols the Accompts; but dotli " agreed; and assured him, " If any Thing of that Na“ ture happened, his Lord'hip should be acquainted there “not check the Ledgers.” “ with. "Which was likewise affirmed upon Oath by
“ Mr. Lyddell being asked the same Question : “ Mr. Fohn Coupland, as appears under Letter H; but “ from that Time, to the delivering in their Observations “ He said, “ He believés, not to check the Ledgers ; “ to the Parliament, the said Earl declares, he never “ but they are necessary to the Accompts in general.” “ heard any Thing from them.”
« B. Die
" Die Veneris, 25 Februarii, 1703.
* Examinations of the Commissioners of the “ Navy, touching the Treasurer's of the
Navy's Ledgers. ti Dennis Lyddell Esquire, Comptroller of the Trea" surer's Accompts of the Navy, being asked, “Whe“ther the late Treasurer of the Navy's Ledgers are
very voluminous ?”
« One of the Commissioners of the Victu" aling, touching Mr. Anthony Sturt's
Ledger " Sir Rich'd Haddock aforesaid, being formerly “ sworn, was asked, “ What are the Reasons why Mr. “ Sturt hath not yet passed his Ledger, during the Time “ of his being Cashier of the Vi&tualing to the Earl of
“ He said, “ The Navy Board thought not them“ felves empowered till lately to pass our Accompt, “ because we had not a Privy Seal or Order for it."
“ Die Veneris, 25 Feb. 1703.
Being asked, “ Whether they are more volumi* nous than others have been ?”
“ He said, “ Most of them are so."
“ The Earl of Orford produced to the Lords
“ Committee, his Entry Book' of Letters, “ with other Papers relating to the Victual
“ing of the Fleet in The Mediterranean, " It appeared by the Copy of a Letter, dated off “ of Malaga, the 5th September, 1694, to the then “Lords of the Admiralty, that he received His Ma
jesty's Orders, dated the 17th of August 1694, for the “ Fleet's continuing in those Seas, and wintering at “ Cadiz; and in the said Letter, among other Matters, “ are these Words ; (videlicet,)
“ The Care of providing Provisions and Necessaries “ in these Parts, and distributing the same to the Fleet, “ gives me a great deal of Trouble; and therefore, if
any One of the Commissioners of the Victualing is “ more fit than another to perform that Service, I should “ be glad if you would send him to the Fleet, the con“ ductive Part thereof being more than enough to em“ ploy the utmost of any Man's Pains and Time.
« Examinations of the present Paymaster to “ the now Treasurer of the Navy, touching
Imprests. “ Robert Maddocks Esquire, Paymaster (formerly
“ to Sir Edward Seymour and now) under the “ present Treasurer of the Navy, sworn at the
« Bar. “ Being asked, “ Whether it was the Practice of " the Navy, during his Time, when the Treasurer passed
any Ledger for the Commissioners of the Navy, to “ allow therein the Imprest Bills paid him within the “ Time of that Ledger, excepting such as were cleared “ before the Ledger was passed by the Navy Board ?”
“ He said, “ The Imprest Bills paid in any One Year " were always allowed in that Year's Accompt.”
“ Mr. Auditor Bridges, Mr. Moody, Deputy to Mr. “ Auditor Harley, attending the Lords Committee by “ Order, as likewise did Mr. George Dodington :"
“ The Lords Committee asked them, Mr. Lyddell
(Comptroller of the Treasurer of the Navy's Ac" compts) being present, “ Whether it was the Practice “ heretofore to bring to Accompt, in the Treasurer of the
Navy's Ledger, the Imprefts paid by him within the « Time of each Ledger ?”
“ Mr. Bridges answered, “ It was anciently the Prac“ tice so to do; but knew not the Reason why it was “ discontinued."
“ Mr. Dodington answered, “ It was the Practice to “ bring Imprests Annually to Accompt, till the Year “ 1686, when Sir Anthony Dean and others were made « Commissioners of the Navy ; and then it was discon• tinued.”
“ And in a Copy of a Letter from Alicant, dated “ the 21st of September 1694, to the said Lords of the
Admiralty, are these Words; (videlicet,)
“ I desired you in my last, to send me One of the “ Commissioners of the Vi&tualing to Cadiz ; which you “ will give me Leave to remind you of; and that such “ One of them may be sent, who is capable in all “ respects to manage the Victualing of the Flect, that “ I may be eased of the great Care and Pains that Affair “ has hitherto given me; which, I fear, has not a little “ contributed to my present Indisposition.
“ His Lordship produced an original Certificate from of the late Commisioners of the Vi&tualing, a Copy
whereof is as follows ; (videlicet,)
“ These are to certify, That of the Sum of Eightyo five Thousand Two Hundred Thirty-three Pounds, “ Two Shillings, and Eleven Pence Half-penny, charged “to the Right Honourable Edward Russel Esquire, now “ Earl of Orford, on Account of victualing His Ma
jesty's Fleet in The Mediterranean, under his Lordship’s “Command, in the Years 1694 and 1695, there was “ Twenty Thousand Five Hundred Thirty-two Pounds, “ Five Shillings, and Ten Pence, paid to the said Fleet “ in Money; (videlicet,)
[ “ To the respective Pursers of the said “ Fleet, for necessary and extraordi 3,653 2 4
nary Necessary-money the Sum of “ To the several Ships Companies, for “ Short-allowance of Provisions, the $16,879 3
6 « Sum of
“ Mr. Lyddell agreed, “ It was the Practice so to do « till the Year 1686."
“ Examination of Sir Richard Haddock Knight,
“ Comptroller of the Navy, and formerly
“ For which Sum of Twenty Thousand Five Hun 3d Objection. I have allowed for Biscuit at 1d. “ dred Thirty-two Pounds, Five Shillings, and Ten per Pound Weight; whereas, till the Year 1694; “ Pence, there were Vouchers signed by the proper “ Pursers were allowed but * said per Pound Weight, “ Persons, and delivered into this Office. Dared at the “ and afterwards * of 1 d. “ Vi&tualing-office, the 6th Day of June 1701.
“ Answer. The same Accompt for 1672 charges “ Examined,
“ 1 d. per Pound Weight to Pursers; but, I must own, per T. RANDOLPH.
“ they have herein juftly charged me with a Mistake, in
“ the Computation of 395,363 Pound Weight of Rusk, “ Simon MAYNE. “ which, at 1 d. per Pound Weight, makes (as they
“ John BURRINGTON. say) but £. 2265. 25. 0.d. : In Excuse of it, I can “ Tho. COLBY. H. VINCENT."
only say, it was not done wilfully; but, being prest “ to haften in the Accompt, mistook the Fraction, and
“ computed it at 1 ;d. “ His Lordship produced a Copy of a Certificate “ from Mr. Thomas Colby (formerly Afiftant to the “ Comptroller of the Vi&tualing Accompts of the Navy)
“ 4th Objection, concerns the Proportion and Price now One of the Commissioners of the Vi&tualing ;
" of Raisins, to be allowed for Beef and Pork ; which “ which was as follows ; (videlicet,)
“ does not affect my Computation, but seems to infer,
“ if Beef and Pork may be supplied there by other “ These are humbly to certify, That, in the Years “ Provisions, at One Third of the Cost, no more Mould “ 1672 and 1673, the Victualing of His then Majesty's
“ be sent than was absolutely necessary: This ObjecNavy was in Contract, under the Management of Sir
“ tion also charges me with computing Beef at 9ad. “ Thomas Littleton, Sir Josiah Child, Sir Dennis Gauden,
“ and Pork at 6 d. per Piece ; whereas Pursers, till “ Mr. Papillon, and others; for which they were allowed,
" the Year 1694, were allowed but 7 d. Beef, and “ for Victuals they supplied His then Majesty with to
44d. for Pork. « the Southward of the Latitude of 27 Degrees, the
“ Answer. By the same Accompt, for the Year 1672, “ Rate of 8 d. per Man, per Diem; and in broken
“ I find 10 d. allowed for Beef, and 7 d. for Pork. “ Proportions after the said Rate : All Extra Freights
were allowed by His Majesty more than the aforesaid “ Prices. I do further certify, That the Pursers of “ 5th Objection. I compute Pease at 45, a Bushel ; “ His then Majesty's Ships were allowed, upon the “ whereas Pursers were allowed, till 1694, but 2 s. 4d. “ Balance of their Accompts, in the Time of the said « and afterwards but 35. “ Contractors Management, after the Rate of Seven “ Pence per Man, per Diem.
“ Answer. The fame Accompt allows to Pursers 4%.
“ 5 d. per Bushel. 6th June, '701.
“ Tho. COLBY."
“ 6th Objection. The Quantity of Oil provided
was sufficient for above 20 Months. “ His Lordship produced a copy of the Report made “ to the Lords Commillioners of the Treasury, by Mr. “ Brook Bridges, One of the Auditors of the Imprests; “ Answer.
“ This not concerning me, I refer to the Admiral's “ which was as follows ; (videlicet,) “ May it please your Lordships,
“ 7th Objection. I compute Beer at 40s. per Ton;
" whereas Pursers have never been allowed more than “ In Obedience to your Commands, I have perused 30 5. Waste and Charges included. “ and considered the Papers delivered in by the Com“ missioners for victualing His Majesty's Navy, relating
“ Answer. The same Accompt for 1672 allows to Admiral Rusell's Accompt of Provisions, and a £. 2. 118. 3 d. per Ton to Pursers. “ State thereof, which (by your Lordships Commands) “ I was required to make, according to a Calculation
“ 8th Objection. The Auditor's Computation allows " of 7 d. a Man, per Diem.
“ 18 d. more than ought for Necessary-money.
“ Answer. The Calculation I was required to make, “ To which the said Commissioners have been pleased “ was to satisfy your Lordships, whether the Accompt, to object; videlicet,
as delivered in by the Admiral, or an Allowance at
“ the Rate of 7 d. a Man, per Diem, would come out “ ist Objection. That 7d. a Man, per Diem, was
“ easiest to His Majesty ; and I thought it of more Mo“ only allowed to Contractors.
ment to make a speedy Return, than to be over nice
“ in the Calculation : But I stand corrected, and will “ Answer. I do not find so little as 7 d. a Man, per “ do them right in the Balance. “ Diem, allowed at any Time to Contractors for Sea “ Vi&uals : Mr. Papillon and his Partners were allowed
“ The Ninth Article is not objected to. “ 8 d. a Day in The Chanel, and 8 d. in The Streights, “ West Indies, &c.
“ 10th Objection. That 7d. a Man, a Day, in“ cludes all Manner of Charges relating to the Vic
“ tualing, as Cask, Iron Hoops, Biscuit Bags, Freight, “ 2d Objection. I have computed fized Fish at 8 d. . “ each ; whereas Purfers were allowed but 41 d. un“ til the Year 1694, and then but 6d.
“ Answer. Mr. Papillon and Partners, though al
“ lowed at 8 & d. a Man, per Diem, and at the same Rate • Answer, In the Year 1672 (Mr. Papillon being “ for broken Proportions, are allowed also for extraor" then One of the Contractors), I find 8 d. allowed on “ dinary Freight, Charges to Agents in distributing “ Pursers Accompts for said Fish.
“ Provisions to the Fleet, Water Cask, Iron Hoops, &c.
“ 'The following Deductions, amounting to upwards “ The Accompt, as delivered in by the £.. " of £•20,000. being grounded upon Mistakes, will 6 Admiral, admits the Balance due to His } 4899
5 9 “ scarce need a farther Answer ; however, I will take Majesty to be " Notice of them in their Order.
“ But computed at 7 d. a Man, a Day,
" the Balance will be " The rith, i 2th, and 13th Articles, concerning the “Proportions of Biscuit Bags, Casks, Iron Hoops, « The Difference is
£. 1516 18.6 " necessary for certain Quantities of Provisions, which “ I will not contend with them about ; but must not “ All which is humbly submitted. " allow that Contractors or Pursers supplied them at 7 d. a Man, per Diem, .
" This is a true Copy.
“B. BRIDGES." “ The 14th Article, concerning Necessary-money in“cluded in the 7 d. a Day, I either do not understand,
“ Die Veneris, 25th Feb. 1703. or the Inference is very unreasonable : If the 6 d. a
“F. “ Month allowed for Necessary-money be cast into the 7 d. a Day, why then should £.2022. 15 s. 6 d. be
« Examinations of some of the Commissioners “ surcharged? If they would have it thought it is not
“ of, and Dealers with, the Navy, &c. touchcomprehended in the 7 d. a Day, they did prudently,
“ ing Interest on Tallies, issued by the late “ not to speak plain in a Thing which must have been
" Treasurer of the Navy. " contradicted.
« Sir Richard Haddock Knight, Comptroller of the “ The 15th Article makes a Doubt, whether 8 d. per
Navy, and Dennis Lyddell Esquire, Comptroller of “ Month, allowed for extraordinary Necessary-money,
." the Treasurer's Accompts of the Navy, Sir William
“ Gore, Mr. Peter Foy, Mr. Thomas Death, Mr. Ambrojë " was included in the 7d. a Day. If none of these “ Gentlemen had ever been Contractors, I should not
“ Crowley, Sir Stephen Evance, and Mr. John Bellamy, o much wonder at the Doubt,
“ Dealers with the Navy, &c. Mr. Henry Johnson First
“ Clerk to the Comptroller of the Navy, and Mr. John “ The 16th Article furcharges the Admiral's Ac Crawley First Clerk to the Comptroller of the Treacompt with Drawage-money, Adze-money, Portage,
“ surer's Accompts of the Navy, Mr. William Hubbald, ** Cartage, Charges of Clerks, Contractors Profits, &c.
“ Mr. Henry Durley; and Mr. John Warfild, Instru“ all which they affirm are included in the 7 d. a Day. ;
ments to the present Treasurer of the Navy, having " and that for these, and some of the foregoing Articles,
< been all sworn at the Bar : " the said Accompt, naturally, reasonably, and mode“ rately, ought to be surcharged with £:21,649. 155.
being asked, “ Whether, $c uid.
when they assigned any Bills
to be paid by the late Trea“ I have acquainted already your Lordships, that
furer of the Navy, out of « there was never fo little as 7 di a Man, per Diem, al “ Sir Richard Haddock, any Tallies and Orders in " lowed to Contractors ; that Mr. Papillon and his
“ Mr. Dennis Lyddel,
his Hands, did their Aflign“ Partners (and I do not know that any other Con
ments on the Bills direct
out of what Tallies and “ tractors have served the Crown cheaper) were allowed " 8 d. a Day in The Chanel, and 8 d. in The Streights;
Orders they should be " that the same Allowance is made for broken Propor“ tions supplied by Pursers; and that the Contractors are
“ They severally said, “ Yes, we did.” “ notwithstanding allowed for extraordinary Freights, “ Charge of Agents, Water Cask, Iron Hoops, Biscuit
“ Being asked, “ Whether they understood that the Bags, &c. which will appear by Mr. Colby's Cer
“ Arrear of Interest, due upon the Tallies and Orders at “ tificate, and the Accompt itself, which I have brought the Time their Aslignments were made on the Bills, 66 down with me : Therefore, I am humbly of Opinion, « was to attend the Tallies and Orders, and ought to be “ the Deductions are neither natural nor reasonable; " allowed and paid by the Treasurer of the Navy to such " but, with your Lordships Permission, will put it upon Persons as were entitled to the Tallies and Orders, " this Ifue: There are some Contractors for Victualing, « excepting where their Alignments on the Bills direct “ who have not yet passed their Accompts ; and, I per 66 otherwise?" “ suade myself, they are very moderate and reasonable “ Men ; if these Gentlemen can prevail with the said “ They severally said, “ They did understand that the “ Contractors to be content with 7 d. a Man, a Day,
“ Interest was to go along with the Tallies, except “ with or without these Deductions, I will readily sub
" where otherwise ordered.' “ fcribe to their opinions.
“ Being asked, “ Whether it is now the Custom and “ As a farther Evidence, that these Gentlemen do “ Practice (excepting where their Alignments on the
not think that 7 d. a Man, a Day, did comprehend the “ Bills direct otherwise), to allow the Arrear of In“ whole Charge of Vi&tualing; I take Leave to remind
“ terest due on Tallies and Orders, at the Time when your Lordships, that, in the Year 1691, they were " they made their Assignments on Bills, to such Per
pleased to deliver to your Lordships a Breviat of the "s fons who have a Right to the said Bills?” “ Vi&tualing for the Years 1690 and 1691, which was “ referred to Mr. Auditor Done and myself to examine;
They severally faid, “ That it is now practised as
" it was in the Second Article." “ the Intention of it (if I mistake not) was, to satisfy your Lordships, that these Gentlemen had been very “ Mr. Lyddell being asked, “
" Whether, when any good Managers, in that their Vi&tualing came under “ Tallies and Orders were issued, by the late Treasurer “ 205. a Man, per Month ; and whatever it came at s of the Navy, or his Instruments, to you, for any Bill “ under that, was supposed to be saved; yet 20 s, a or Bills afligned by the Navy Board, to be paid in “ Man, per Month, is above 8 ; d. a Day; and in that « Tallies and Orders ; did you receive such Tallies and
Computation, the Harbour Vi&tuals were compre “ Orders from the late Treasurer of the Navy, or his • hended also, which were never reckoned at above 6 d. “ Instruments, without allowing or making any Dis
“ a Day.